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Love this. This is precisely why I love Javascript too, I find these douchey condescending comments on Javascript/Node.js from people who've not grasped the lan

Love this. This is precisely why I love Javascript too, I find these douchey condescending comments on Javascript/Node.js from people who've not grasped the language and it's philosophy deeply, extremely annoying. There's a lot a capable developer can accomplish with Javascript, with it's first order functions, collection operations, generators, promises and now, async /await. Granted JS is not idiot-proof, but I'd any day use a powerful language than a highly restricting one (think Java and Go).

lawik 9y ago
Or maybe they just don't share the philosophy. Or are opposed to it. A lot of Node enthusiasts also come across as douchey and condescending as they claim that people just haven't grasped the language or its philosophy. I think Node is absolutely fine. But I see why someone who values robustness and error-reduction as primary goals or someone that has a firm grasp on other asynchronous models might not see many advantages to Node. Just as some people value stability higher than progress, neither is necessarily evil, just beliefs. People have different priorities and Node delivers on some and is not geared towards others. But I don't find Nodes async, single thread model very interesting or revolutionary. It is very pragmatic and definitely useful but I found the Erlang VM and Elixir a much more compelling solution for example.
- amalantony06 9y ago
  Hey, more power to you if you want to use more expressive/functional languages than Javascript like Erlang or Clojure. However claiming that a language that allows nothing beyond the Object oriented model of computation like Java or Go is more robust or allows you to have less errors would not be accurate (see the comments above). The primary reason anyone would use Javscript over say Erlang would be the ubiquity of the language and the availability of libraries or strong familiarity with the language. But my point is Javascript provides you the tools to write functional code that is robust (if you are disciplined) and generators + promises (and async/await) makes the single threaded async model painless. I certainly did not claim that it was a silver bullet or a revolutionary model of computation.

lawik 9y ago

Or maybe they just don't share the philosophy. Or are opposed to it. A lot of Node enthusiasts also come across as douchey and condescending as they claim that people just haven't grasped the language or its philosophy. I think Node is absolutely fine. But I see why someone who values robustness and error-reduction as primary goals or someone that has a firm grasp on other asynchronous models might not see many advantages to Node. Just as some people value stability higher than progress, neither is necessarily evil, just beliefs. People have different priorities and Node delivers on some and is not geared towards others. But I don't find Nodes async, single thread model very interesting or revolutionary. It is very pragmatic and definitely useful but I found the Erlang VM and Elixir a much more compelling solution for example.

amalantony06 9y ago
Hey, more power to you if you want to use more expressive/functional languages than Javascript like Erlang or Clojure. However claiming that a language that allows nothing beyond the Object oriented model of computation like Java or Go is more robust or allows you to have less errors would not be accurate (see the comments above). The primary reason anyone would use Javscript over say Erlang would be the ubiquity of the language and the availability of libraries or strong familiarity with the language. But my point is Javascript provides you the tools to write functional code that is robust (if you are disciplined) and generators + promises (and async/await) makes the single threaded async model painless. I certainly did not claim that it was a silver bullet or a revolutionary model of computation.