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> I've spent the last two years developing a todo app Without seeing what you have, a general remark would be that everyone and his cousin has clocked at least

> I've spent the last two years developing a todo app Without seeing what you have, a general remark would be that everyone and his cousin has clocked at least some time developing at least one ToDo app. It's a right-of-passage thing for a lot of developers, just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies. BTW, what set Wunderlist apart is not the features first and foremost, but their bold in-your-face marketing rooted in very pretty visuals and a fake arrogance routine. Whether they had proper hierarchies / first-class subtasks was quite secondary.

intoverflow2 10y ago
> what set Wunderlist apart A nice wood texture (not even joking, was totally sold on the visuals in the early days)
kesor 10y ago
What set Wunderlist apart is that they have been the archive of my project ideas for the last who knows how many years. While other apps came along and disappeared, I was sure Wunderlist was just "there" when I needed it.
VladimirGolovin 10y ago
(OP here) I've set up a quick website with more detailed descriptions and some screenshots: http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/ http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/ I'm absolutely aware of the rite-of-passage thing, but I'm doing this because I NEED a proper, working todo app. My life will crumble without it. And I'm prepared spend my time and money on it. In any case, there's no going back to Wunderlist now. As for marketing, I'm not worried. All I want is a working todo app, and it will be great if it turns out to be useful for other people.
- salimmadjd 10y ago
  I wish you had put an email sign up option in your site. You're missing out on potential alpha users.
  - VladimirGolovin 10y ago
    Done. The signup box is up and running (scroll to the bottom of the page).
    - abhia 10y ago
      Add it to the top! People don't scroll that far down :)
  - nileshtrivedi 10y ago
    Email form is there at the bottom.
- huhtenberg 10y ago
  Break a leg.
- zild3d 10y ago
  It looks like something I would use, so I hope you're able to get it out there. My 2 cents - "Tuskarr supports first-class subtasks" might be a fine description on HN, but an average user won't know what that implies
  - VladimirGolovin 10y ago
    I wrote this text in an hour, specifically for HN :) Of course the description for the general public will be more accessible - and supported by screenshots. (Which reminds me that I should be doing the screenshots now.)
    - sullyj3 10y ago
      The combination of the screenshots and sales pitch convinced me! This sounds awesome, I'm looking forward to testing!
- codazoda 10y ago
  Looks really nice. Unfortunately, I usually don't want my task list associated with dates. I just want a list of stuff I need to get done (actually, A lot of lists of stuff). Once in a while I'll want to associate a reminder date but that's about it for the way I work.
  - zulln 10y ago
    Have you tried WorkFlowy? It is basically lists of lists.. of lists and so on. Never liked there UX though, but the concept.
bitexploder 10y ago
It is fine, occasionally a neat idea or concept emerges, but I just use Org mode and Agenda now. I always see or hear people eventually giving up on Emacs for some pretty new editor (VS Code) or finally quitting vim because they "feel more productive" somewhere else. Or using some new and random TODO app. Meanwhile, I have been using the same system for 7 years and I know it will work on any platform any time and my data is all plain text and not under control of any third party. Finally, I have a depth of features most TODO apps /still/ lack. But there is a huge reluctance to embrace this work style, but I think it is a short term gains / long term gains problem and most people end up with whatever is shiny and in the moment, but it will get abandoned over the long haul. My text based system will work in 10 years. Will whatever shiny and new TODO app?
- aerique 10y ago
  You're right of course. I guess I'm going to give Orgzly another try.
radiorental 10y ago
> just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies 20 year UX veteran, this is the first I've heard of this (o; Not a criticism, certainly made me smile, but I've not heard or seen this before. (that said, I work mostly in enterprise, this might just be a mobile thing)
- eps 10y ago
  Behold... https://dribbble.com/search?q=weather+app https://dribbble.com/search?q=weather+app
  - radiorental 10y ago
    I'd argue that's visual design. A subset of UX. UX primarily starts with user research, then a metric shiton of postit notes, paper prototypes, a bit of testing and then some hi fidelity mockups
walljm 10y ago
> Without seeing what you have, a general remark would be that everyone and his cousin has clocked at least some time developing at least one ToDo app. It's a right-of-passage thing for a lot of developers, just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies. Its funny, because it true. :D
hdhdhdhdjjj777 10y ago
Apple has a iOS programming tutorial focused on writing a todo list. So yeah, pretty common. Unrelated, TaskWarrior ftw
gregschlom 10y ago
"rite of passage" right of passage is probably more like the right of way :)
- 27182818284 10y ago
  Looks like it switched in the 1970s https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rite+of+passage%2C+right+of+passage&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Crite%20of%20passage%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cright%20of%20passage%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rite+of+passag...
  - gregschlom 10y ago
    I'm no language expert, but I don't think there was any "switch". As Wikipedia says, "[rite of passage] is the Anglicisation of rite de passage, a French term innovated by the ethnographer Arnold van Gennep in his work Les rites de passage." "Right of passage" may mean something similar to "right of way", and may be used my mistake when people mean "rite of passage" but there was never a switch in how "rite" is spelled.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    No, it didn't switch. "Right of passage" is a thing, but it's a completely different thing from "rite of passage". Compare: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_passage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_passage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_passage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_passage
- huhtenberg 10y ago
  Indeed. Sorry for a brain fart.

intoverflow2 10y ago

> what set Wunderlist apart A nice wood texture (not even joking, was totally sold on the visuals in the early days)

kesor 10y ago

What set Wunderlist apart is that they have been the archive of my project ideas for the last who knows how many years. While other apps came along and disappeared, I was sure Wunderlist was just "there" when I needed it.

VladimirGolovin 10y ago

(OP here) I've set up a quick website with more detailed descriptions and some screenshots: http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/ http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/ I'm absolutely aware of the rite-of-passage thing, but I'm doing this because I NEED a proper, working todo app. My life will crumble without it. And I'm prepared spend my time and money on it. In any case, there's no going back to Wunderlist now. As for marketing, I'm not worried. All I want is a working todo app, and it will be great if it turns out to be useful for other people.

salimmadjd 10y ago
I wish you had put an email sign up option in your site. You're missing out on potential alpha users.
- VladimirGolovin 10y ago
  Done. The signup box is up and running (scroll to the bottom of the page).
  - abhia 10y ago
    Add it to the top! People don't scroll that far down :)
- nileshtrivedi 10y ago
  Email form is there at the bottom.
huhtenberg 10y ago
Break a leg.
zild3d 10y ago
It looks like something I would use, so I hope you're able to get it out there. My 2 cents - "Tuskarr supports first-class subtasks" might be a fine description on HN, but an average user won't know what that implies
- VladimirGolovin 10y ago
  I wrote this text in an hour, specifically for HN :) Of course the description for the general public will be more accessible - and supported by screenshots. (Which reminds me that I should be doing the screenshots now.)
  - sullyj3 10y ago
    The combination of the screenshots and sales pitch convinced me! This sounds awesome, I'm looking forward to testing!
codazoda 10y ago
Looks really nice. Unfortunately, I usually don't want my task list associated with dates. I just want a list of stuff I need to get done (actually, A lot of lists of stuff). Once in a while I'll want to associate a reminder date but that's about it for the way I work.
- zulln 10y ago
  Have you tried WorkFlowy? It is basically lists of lists.. of lists and so on. Never liked there UX though, but the concept.

bitexploder 10y ago

It is fine, occasionally a neat idea or concept emerges, but I just use Org mode and Agenda now. I always see or hear people eventually giving up on Emacs for some pretty new editor (VS Code) or finally quitting vim because they "feel more productive" somewhere else. Or using some new and random TODO app. Meanwhile, I have been using the same system for 7 years and I know it will work on any platform any time and my data is all plain text and not under control of any third party. Finally, I have a depth of features most TODO apps /still/ lack. But there is a huge reluctance to embrace this work style, but I think it is a short term gains / long term gains problem and most people end up with whatever is shiny and in the moment, but it will get abandoned over the long haul. My text based system will work in 10 years. Will whatever shiny and new TODO app?

aerique 10y ago
You're right of course. I guess I'm going to give Orgzly another try.

radiorental 10y ago

> just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies 20 year UX veteran, this is the first I've heard of this (o; Not a criticism, certainly made me smile, but I've not heard or seen this before. (that said, I work mostly in enterprise, this might just be a mobile thing)

eps 10y ago
Behold... https://dribbble.com/search?q=weather+app https://dribbble.com/search?q=weather+app
- radiorental 10y ago
  I'd argue that's visual design. A subset of UX. UX primarily starts with user research, then a metric shiton of postit notes, paper prototypes, a bit of testing and then some hi fidelity mockups

walljm 10y ago

> Without seeing what you have, a general remark would be that everyone and his cousin has clocked at least some time developing at least one ToDo app. It's a right-of-passage thing for a lot of developers, just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies. Its funny, because it true. :D

hdhdhdhdjjj777 10y ago

Apple has a iOS programming tutorial focused on writing a todo list. So yeah, pretty common. Unrelated, TaskWarrior ftw

gregschlom 10y ago

"rite of passage" right of passage is probably more like the right of way :)

27182818284 10y ago
Looks like it switched in the 1970s https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rite+of+passage%2C+right+of+passage&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Crite%20of%20passage%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cright%20of%20passage%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rite+of+passag...
- gregschlom 10y ago
  I'm no language expert, but I don't think there was any "switch". As Wikipedia says, "[rite of passage] is the Anglicisation of rite de passage, a French term innovated by the ethnographer Arnold van Gennep in his work Les rites de passage." "Right of passage" may mean something similar to "right of way", and may be used my mistake when people mean "rite of passage" but there was never a switch in how "rite" is spelled.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  No, it didn't switch. "Right of passage" is a thing, but it's a completely different thing from "rite of passage". Compare: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_passage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_passage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_passage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_passage
huhtenberg 10y ago
Indeed. Sorry for a brain fart.