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yeah unfortunately in my City (Perth, WA) your chances of being maimed or dying from a angry cyclist hating driver goes up exponentially. Not sure what makes t

yeah unfortunately in my City (Perth, WA) your chances of being maimed or dying from a angry cyclist hating driver goes up exponentially. Not sure what makes this city think that the roads belong to cars only...

nrki 10y ago
As a former Perthian, I hope this will change. It's an amazing city for riding. It requires action by the government [1] and less of an ego from ALL road users. I think the latter will be the hardest sell. A clever & sustained advertising campaign (IMO, led by the same people that did the Melbourne Metro's "Dumb Ways To Die" [2]) would be awesome. More education in school about not being a dickwad on the road would be good, too. 1: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-drivers-facing-new-law-to-leave-metre-for-cyclists-20140320-354wr.html http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-drivers-facing-new-l... 2: http://www.dumbwaystodie.com/ http://www.dumbwaystodie.com/
- bruce_one 10y ago
  "We're coming to Denver" (Dumb Ways to Die campaign) -- I really enjoyed that campaign, and heaps of my friends discussed it (so that alone means it was at least somewhat successful, imo), so it's cool to see the concept spreading :-)
fian 10y ago
Perth drivers are way better than they used to be. 20-25 years ago I had food or drink thrown or squirted at me while cycling on a monthly basis. Most drivers would not look for bikes and many assumed they always had right of way over bikes. The last time I can recall something being thrown at me from a car was about 12 years ago. Most drivers now are more alert for bikes more of the time and many drivers now give way to me when I'm riding - even when they have right of way. Previously the stuff being thrown at cyclists wasn't usually down in a rage - it was more of a mischievous lark for the car occupants. As you stated - the problem now is the rage some drivers get into when something breaks them out of autopilot/daydream mode. There are many factors for why this is happening more. One is that Perth is so sprawled out that and many people are driving for over an hour each way to work and back. On the freeways and highways they lapse into autopilot mode then when something unexpected happens they get a flight/fight response. Since you can't reasonably flee from a car moving at speed - the adrenaline is channeled into the fight response. Another factor is the relatively high (compared to other states in Australia and other countries) level of ice (methamphetamine) use. When the users are high or suffering withdrawal they can lose it over trivial things. Not sure what makes this city think that the roads belong to cars only... This goes back to the vast majority of people that must rely on a car to get around due to the coastal suburban sprawl in and lack of decent public transport options in Perth. Five years ago I spent a few months working in France. I spent a fair bit of time cycling around Paris and was expecting the worst since Parisian drivers had a reputation for being crazy. Indeed I witnessed the driving on the footpath thing a few times and there was a lot of horn honking and gesturing. However, in general I felt much safer riding on the roads in Paris than I do in Perth. The drivers in Paris are conditioned to having cyclists of all types on the road (lycra is much rarer for a start - not fashionable enough maybe?). They are much more attentive to what is happening around them, I guess because they don't have an opportunity to lapse into autopilot as traffic is rarely light. The driving on the footpath thing seemed to be a careful maneuver aimed at improving lane efficiency during peak hour (ie to get around a temporary block into free lane space up the road). So I guess being accustomed to cyclists is a factor in setting drivers attitudes. As I stated earlier, in my experience Perth drivers have improved in this regard and hopefully will continue to do so.
robotjosh 10y ago
The study said it considered "all other risks" but did they really factor in all the cyclists who get murdered by drivers?
yitchelle 10y ago
Is this a cultural thing? When compare to Europe, this type of anti-bike rage happens much more less frequently.

nrki 10y ago

As a former Perthian, I hope this will change. It's an amazing city for riding. It requires action by the government [1] and less of an ego from ALL road users. I think the latter will be the hardest sell. A clever & sustained advertising campaign (IMO, led by the same people that did the Melbourne Metro's "Dumb Ways To Die" [2]) would be awesome. More education in school about not being a dickwad on the road would be good, too. 1: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-drivers-facing-new-law-to-leave-metre-for-cyclists-20140320-354wr.html http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-drivers-facing-new-l... 2: http://www.dumbwaystodie.com/ http://www.dumbwaystodie.com/

bruce_one 10y ago
"We're coming to Denver" (Dumb Ways to Die campaign) -- I really enjoyed that campaign, and heaps of my friends discussed it (so that alone means it was at least somewhat successful, imo), so it's cool to see the concept spreading :-)

fian 10y ago

Perth drivers are way better than they used to be. 20-25 years ago I had food or drink thrown or squirted at me while cycling on a monthly basis. Most drivers would not look for bikes and many assumed they always had right of way over bikes. The last time I can recall something being thrown at me from a car was about 12 years ago. Most drivers now are more alert for bikes more of the time and many drivers now give way to me when I'm riding - even when they have right of way. Previously the stuff being thrown at cyclists wasn't usually down in a rage - it was more of a mischievous lark for the car occupants. As you stated - the problem now is the rage some drivers get into when something breaks them out of autopilot/daydream mode. There are many factors for why this is happening more. One is that Perth is so sprawled out that and many people are driving for over an hour each way to work and back. On the freeways and highways they lapse into autopilot mode then when something unexpected happens they get a flight/fight response. Since you can't reasonably flee from a car moving at speed - the adrenaline is channeled into the fight response. Another factor is the relatively high (compared to other states in Australia and other countries) level of ice (methamphetamine) use. When the users are high or suffering withdrawal they can lose it over trivial things. Not sure what makes this city think that the roads belong to cars only... This goes back to the vast majority of people that must rely on a car to get around due to the coastal suburban sprawl in and lack of decent public transport options in Perth. Five years ago I spent a few months working in France. I spent a fair bit of time cycling around Paris and was expecting the worst since Parisian drivers had a reputation for being crazy. Indeed I witnessed the driving on the footpath thing a few times and there was a lot of horn honking and gesturing. However, in general I felt much safer riding on the roads in Paris than I do in Perth. The drivers in Paris are conditioned to having cyclists of all types on the road (lycra is much rarer for a start - not fashionable enough maybe?). They are much more attentive to what is happening around them, I guess because they don't have an opportunity to lapse into autopilot as traffic is rarely light. The driving on the footpath thing seemed to be a careful maneuver aimed at improving lane efficiency during peak hour (ie to get around a temporary block into free lane space up the road). So I guess being accustomed to cyclists is a factor in setting drivers attitudes. As I stated earlier, in my experience Perth drivers have improved in this regard and hopefully will continue to do so.

robotjosh 10y ago

The study said it considered "all other risks" but did they really factor in all the cyclists who get murdered by drivers?

yitchelle 10y ago

Is this a cultural thing? When compare to Europe, this type of anti-bike rage happens much more less frequently.