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So you are claiming that the only thing holding you back from progressing your career is that you don't want to do more work for what you see as not enough mone

So you are claiming that the only thing holding you back from progressing your career is that you don't want to do more work for what you see as not enough money? If that is true you suffer from some serious short sightedness in regards to your career. AND you don't have any experience in the topic.

brokenmachine 10y ago
Well, we're only talking about me now, but I have pretty much decided that I do not want to progress any further in my current direction. I'm on a pretty good pay now and the work situation is acceptable. I am investigating ways to invest the money I have made/am still making in the best ways for the best possible return, and also looking to downshift by pursuing projects/businesses in my free time that I am simply interested in - that have no guarantee of financial success, while also looking into the possibility of moving to a less expensive part of the country. I am not looking for a promotion which includes taking on more stress and less free time in exchange for an insufficient pay increase. It would need to be significant for me to take the chance, and from what I have seen out there, I haven't found anything that would satisfy me, although if I was actually out of work now perhaps I would accept less. If that makes me unqualified in your opinion to comment about whether pays are sufficient for exactly the type of job that I'd be applying for, I don't care. I also don't care if you think I'm ambitious enough. I'm very sure I wouldn't want to work for you anyway. There was even an out-of-work dev commenting that he was looking for work in this very thread. I don't know what more I can say.
- sanswork 10y ago
  edit: I was being a dick here It does make you unqualified because you haven't been on there other side of the table trying to hire ever. The only person I saw was looking to change jobs which is to say leave their current employer with a need for an intermediate developer.
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    re: you being a dick. Yes we can all be dicks sometimes but that was incorrect as well as rude. Of course I have considered negotiating. It's absolutely none of your business of course but I work government so no possibility of negotiation. I am on the highest pay grade I can get with my skills without a complete change of occupation, and tbh I feel I'm getting an ok deal for the amount of stress I have with my pay and conditions. Especially so when I work closely with people in different roles that are getting completely exploited pay-wise in my opinion. I know it'd be more work doing stuff for myself but at least I'd have more control over my own destiny, plus the possibility that it would work out very well, which I don't have now working a 9-to-5. It'd be pretty disappointing if it fell in a flaming heap though. Well, I do feel that being a prospective employee makes me qualified to comment, so there you go. Just because I haven't put a job ad up with an artificially lowered pay and had no applicants doesn't mean I haven't seen what's on offer out there. Have you considered, like people have been saying in these comments, that you may not have been getting applicants (such as myself) because the conditions or pay weren't as reasonable as you think? ie, Do you really think if you doubled the pay you were offering you wouldn't have got more applicants? If I left my job, for argument's sake, say to work at your place, someone with a lower level of skill could start at my old job and learn it as they go, like I had to with little training so many years ago. Some old people leave, some new people start. I think there's lots of skilled people out there. We shouldn't be bringing in slave labour from overseas so we can continue with our artificially lowered pays. If we're going to do capitalism we might as well do it properly... So if your business can't afford to pay what its costs are, then it is not a viable business. Also obviously that guy who did apply was not happy with the pay or conditions at the place he was working at, so there's that. Anyway we obviously don't see eye-to-eye on this issue.

brokenmachine 10y ago

Well, we're only talking about me now, but I have pretty much decided that I do not want to progress any further in my current direction. I'm on a pretty good pay now and the work situation is acceptable. I am investigating ways to invest the money I have made/am still making in the best ways for the best possible return, and also looking to downshift by pursuing projects/businesses in my free time that I am simply interested in - that have no guarantee of financial success, while also looking into the possibility of moving to a less expensive part of the country. I am not looking for a promotion which includes taking on more stress and less free time in exchange for an insufficient pay increase. It would need to be significant for me to take the chance, and from what I have seen out there, I haven't found anything that would satisfy me, although if I was actually out of work now perhaps I would accept less. If that makes me unqualified in your opinion to comment about whether pays are sufficient for exactly the type of job that I'd be applying for, I don't care. I also don't care if you think I'm ambitious enough. I'm very sure I wouldn't want to work for you anyway. There was even an out-of-work dev commenting that he was looking for work in this very thread. I don't know what more I can say.

sanswork 10y ago
edit: I was being a dick here It does make you unqualified because you haven't been on there other side of the table trying to hire ever. The only person I saw was looking to change jobs which is to say leave their current employer with a need for an intermediate developer.
- brokenmachine 10y ago
  re: you being a dick. Yes we can all be dicks sometimes but that was incorrect as well as rude. Of course I have considered negotiating. It's absolutely none of your business of course but I work government so no possibility of negotiation. I am on the highest pay grade I can get with my skills without a complete change of occupation, and tbh I feel I'm getting an ok deal for the amount of stress I have with my pay and conditions. Especially so when I work closely with people in different roles that are getting completely exploited pay-wise in my opinion. I know it'd be more work doing stuff for myself but at least I'd have more control over my own destiny, plus the possibility that it would work out very well, which I don't have now working a 9-to-5. It'd be pretty disappointing if it fell in a flaming heap though. Well, I do feel that being a prospective employee makes me qualified to comment, so there you go. Just because I haven't put a job ad up with an artificially lowered pay and had no applicants doesn't mean I haven't seen what's on offer out there. Have you considered, like people have been saying in these comments, that you may not have been getting applicants (such as myself) because the conditions or pay weren't as reasonable as you think? ie, Do you really think if you doubled the pay you were offering you wouldn't have got more applicants? If I left my job, for argument's sake, say to work at your place, someone with a lower level of skill could start at my old job and learn it as they go, like I had to with little training so many years ago. Some old people leave, some new people start. I think there's lots of skilled people out there. We shouldn't be bringing in slave labour from overseas so we can continue with our artificially lowered pays. If we're going to do capitalism we might as well do it properly... So if your business can't afford to pay what its costs are, then it is not a viable business. Also obviously that guy who did apply was not happy with the pay or conditions at the place he was working at, so there's that. Anyway we obviously don't see eye-to-eye on this issue.