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The h1b program is out of control. We've got Americans who need jobs. I've had a big corporate job where they had us train our h1b and then laid us off. I've

by delbel 10y ago

The h1b program is out of control. We've got Americans who need jobs. I've had a big corporate job where they had us train our h1b and then laid us off. I've also worked for H1B's in America who hired me through upwork. They would outsource their job to me, that's pretty messed up when you fully think that out.

Tuxer 10y ago
FB currently has more than 300 openings. If you're qualified, please apply :)
- matheweis 10y ago
  Went from being a pilot to an FB engineer eh?
  - akhilcacharya 10y ago
    Don't know about particular circumstances here but I'd imagine more than a handful of FB engineers know how to fly.
  - Tuxer 10y ago
    FB engineer for work, pilot (instrument/aerobatic rated) by hobby :)
    - matheweis 10y ago
      Nice! I'll be at your MPK campus for a bit in several weeks... and unrelated, looking into getting PPL w/seaplane rating - we should meet up :)
      - Tuxer 10y ago
        Sounds good :) Seaplane rating is a bitch to use unless you wanna buy one, I know of no club that lets you solo their seaplanes for insurance reasons. An old apple coworker used to own a Lake amphibian, looked awesome.
        matheweis 10y ago
        Awesome. I'll be there for 2 days and then 2 weeks, 2 weeks later, you can probably guess why... I don't see any contact info for you; I can be reached in various ways following my profile here. :)
ViViDboarder 10y ago
Isn't that illegal? Didn't ever talk to a lawyer about that?
- delbel 10y ago
  Not sure, however we were contacted by a lawyer about a year and a half later, and some of the other employees had organized. at the time, another developer and I decided it was to risky to have the "hey, I sued my last employer!" badge on our career so we passed.
praneshp 10y ago
Facebook must be going out of the way to reject Americans, and insist on hiring H1Bs for their openings. They probably pay low wages and the people who can get past their interviews must be thanking their gods they got out of shitty life back home and happily work as indentured servants at low pay. Edit: About the big corporate job part, sorry about that. If you're looking, I'm happy to put you in touch with engineers at Fb (and a couple of other companies).
outworlder 10y ago
> I've had a big corporate job where they had us train our h1b and then laid us off This is indeed ridiculous. But how often does that happen? More specifically, how many companies go to the trouble of hiring H1B workers in lieu of local workers and then make the current workers train the replacements? if the worker being trained was actually a contractor for one of those big indian IT companies, then it makes more sense.
- HaloZero 10y ago
  I mean not really hard data but UCSF did it at least. http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/03/after-pink-slips-ucsf-tech-workers-train-their-foreign-replacements/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/03/after-pink-slips-ucsf-...
- reaperducer 10y ago
  Happened to me last year, too. And it's not just big companies. In my case it was a firm with only about 30 employees. But outsourcing (in my case to India) has become so easy that companies of almost any size can do it.
  - davidw 10y ago
    H1B is someone coming here, not outsourcing. Fewer H1B's probably means more outsourcing, for companies who are just looking at cutting costs and not looking at quality a lot. Not that there aren't great people to outsource work to, but we all know the kind of company we're talking about that isn't seeking that.
- stevenwoo 10y ago
  Usually companies have a severance package with a non disclosure so it's going to have be bad enough for people to sue for it to make the news like Disney and the 250 IT workers in Florida. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/disney-h1b-visas-immigration-layoffs/396149/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/disney-...
- stevenwoo 10y ago
  news article today with lots more examples - the rise in companies that specialize in just this tactic should give a clue to it's pervasiveness. http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-r...
dm3730 10y ago
> We've got Americans who need jobs. Well, that's all nice and stuff but you're wrong. Firstly, if you're good at your job, you wouldn't need to be concerned. Secondly, you weren't concerned when all those manufacturing and blue collar jobs went to Mexico. What about when all those chemical plants and electronics/assembly/everything else moved to China? No sir, you weren't concerned at all. In fact, you enjoyed the lower prices that brought you. You didn't care about those factory workers in Flint. Why should your job be any different? Why shouldn't corporations be allowed to do whatever they need to do to deliver better shareholder profits and lower prices to their customers? America needs profits, not jobs! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6-VLpWgRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6-VLpWgRo
- ebola1717 10y ago
  Not to mention that technology has always been a bigger displacer of jobs than immigration. H1B allows 65K immigrants per year. Much more than that is displaced by self-driving cars, warehouse automation, etc.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > H1B allows 65K immigrants per year. H-1B allows zero immigrants per year, because it's a non-immigrant visa.
    - ganeshkrishnan 10y ago
      This is nitpicking. And h1b is dual intent anyway so they are classified as immigrants
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        No, dual intent visas are non-immigrant Visa that don't prohibit entrants from having the intent to apply for immigration under some other provision. (Regular non-immigrant visa prohibit intent to seek immigrant status.)
    - 10y ago
finid 10y ago
Go to the website of practically every tech company, and you'll find at least 3 open positions for coders. They're looking for qualified people to fill them.

by delbel 10y ago

Tuxer 10y ago

FB currently has more than 300 openings. If you're qualified, please apply :)

matheweis 10y ago
Went from being a pilot to an FB engineer eh?
- akhilcacharya 10y ago
  Don't know about particular circumstances here but I'd imagine more than a handful of FB engineers know how to fly.
- Tuxer 10y ago
  FB engineer for work, pilot (instrument/aerobatic rated) by hobby :)
  - matheweis 10y ago
    Nice! I'll be at your MPK campus for a bit in several weeks... and unrelated, looking into getting PPL w/seaplane rating - we should meet up :)
    - Tuxer 10y ago
      Sounds good :) Seaplane rating is a bitch to use unless you wanna buy one, I know of no club that lets you solo their seaplanes for insurance reasons. An old apple coworker used to own a Lake amphibian, looked awesome.
      - matheweis 10y ago
        Awesome. I'll be there for 2 days and then 2 weeks, 2 weeks later, you can probably guess why... I don't see any contact info for you; I can be reached in various ways following my profile here. :)

ViViDboarder 10y ago

Isn't that illegal? Didn't ever talk to a lawyer about that?

delbel 10y ago
Not sure, however we were contacted by a lawyer about a year and a half later, and some of the other employees had organized. at the time, another developer and I decided it was to risky to have the "hey, I sued my last employer!" badge on our career so we passed.

praneshp 10y ago

Facebook must be going out of the way to reject Americans, and insist on hiring H1Bs for their openings. They probably pay low wages and the people who can get past their interviews must be thanking their gods they got out of shitty life back home and happily work as indentured servants at low pay. Edit: About the big corporate job part, sorry about that. If you're looking, I'm happy to put you in touch with engineers at Fb (and a couple of other companies).

outworlder 10y ago

> I've had a big corporate job where they had us train our h1b and then laid us off This is indeed ridiculous. But how often does that happen? More specifically, how many companies go to the trouble of hiring H1B workers in lieu of local workers and then make the current workers train the replacements? if the worker being trained was actually a contractor for one of those big indian IT companies, then it makes more sense.

HaloZero 10y ago
I mean not really hard data but UCSF did it at least. http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/03/after-pink-slips-ucsf-tech-workers-train-their-foreign-replacements/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/03/after-pink-slips-ucsf-...
reaperducer 10y ago
Happened to me last year, too. And it's not just big companies. In my case it was a firm with only about 30 employees. But outsourcing (in my case to India) has become so easy that companies of almost any size can do it.
- davidw 10y ago
  H1B is someone coming here, not outsourcing. Fewer H1B's probably means more outsourcing, for companies who are just looking at cutting costs and not looking at quality a lot. Not that there aren't great people to outsource work to, but we all know the kind of company we're talking about that isn't seeking that.
stevenwoo 10y ago
Usually companies have a severance package with a non disclosure so it's going to have be bad enough for people to sue for it to make the news like Disney and the 250 IT workers in Florida. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/disney-h1b-visas-immigration-layoffs/396149/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/disney-...
stevenwoo 10y ago
news article today with lots more examples - the rise in companies that specialize in just this tactic should give a clue to it's pervasiveness. http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-r...

dm3730 10y ago

> We've got Americans who need jobs. Well, that's all nice and stuff but you're wrong. Firstly, if you're good at your job, you wouldn't need to be concerned. Secondly, you weren't concerned when all those manufacturing and blue collar jobs went to Mexico. What about when all those chemical plants and electronics/assembly/everything else moved to China? No sir, you weren't concerned at all. In fact, you enjoyed the lower prices that brought you. You didn't care about those factory workers in Flint. Why should your job be any different? Why shouldn't corporations be allowed to do whatever they need to do to deliver better shareholder profits and lower prices to their customers? America needs profits, not jobs! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6-VLpWgRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6-VLpWgRo

ebola1717 10y ago
Not to mention that technology has always been a bigger displacer of jobs than immigration. H1B allows 65K immigrants per year. Much more than that is displaced by self-driving cars, warehouse automation, etc.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > H1B allows 65K immigrants per year. H-1B allows zero immigrants per year, because it's a non-immigrant visa.
  - ganeshkrishnan 10y ago
    This is nitpicking. And h1b is dual intent anyway so they are classified as immigrants
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      No, dual intent visas are non-immigrant Visa that don't prohibit entrants from having the intent to apply for immigration under some other provision. (Regular non-immigrant visa prohibit intent to seek immigrant status.)
  - 10y ago

finid 10y ago

Go to the website of practically every tech company, and you'll find at least 3 open positions for coders. They're looking for qualified people to fill them.