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You're leaving out a lot when you say it'd take you "five minutes with a simple Maven/Gradle build". What's a maven? What's gradle? What's groovy and where can

You're leaving out a lot when you say it'd take you "five minutes with a simple Maven/Gradle build". What's a maven? What's gradle? What's groovy and where can I learn it? I literally don't know the answers to these questions so the same task would take me hours, possibly days. Getting from zero to JSON api in node.js is fast by comparison. Note I am not arguing whether or not it's better in the long run to be the guy that went from zero to node.js or zero to Java, that's a separate discussion.

hota_mazi 9y ago
> You're leaving out a lot when you say it'd take you "five minutes with a simple Maven/Gradle build". What's a maven? What's gradle? What's groovy and where can I learn it? You have similar concerns with node (What's npm? etc...) These are peripheral and necessary knowledge on both platforms. > Getting from zero to JSON api in node.js is fast by comparison It's only fast because you already have the knowledge. Two equally proficient developers in Java and node will set up and get a server up and running in about the same amount of time. The idea that it's a faster to achieve in a dynamically typed language is a myth.
- skolsuper 9y ago
  > It's only fast because you already have the knowledge. No, when I said "from zero" I meant from zero knowledge. > You have similar concerns with node (What's npm? etc...) What's the "etc..."? Install node and you get npm with it. Writing a REST service IS simpler with Node when going from zero, I know because I have done (or at least attempted) both from zero in the recent past. > The idea that it's a faster to achieve in a dynamically typed language is a myth. Doesn't seem like you're open to discussion on this
  - mattmanser 9y ago
    This is a classic case of you forgetting all the learning and concepts you needed to get to "zero".
    - foldr 9y ago
      I don't think so. Npm is included with node and is very simple to use.
      - empthought 9y ago
        So your main argument is that you have to make two downloads with Java (JDK and Maven) but with Node you need to make one? Seems pretty weak. It can't be anything else, because after you have Maven, it is literally a single command to set up a REST project using Dropwizard.
        foldr 9y ago
        Well, to an extent this is a subjective question. With node, you get npm with it, npm is what everyone uses, and npm is clearly what you should be using too. Moreover, the basic functionality of npm is very very easy to understand. I find the Java ecosystem terrifying by comparison. I have no idea whether Maven is what I should be using or if I should be using something else instead -- having it as a separate download makes a big difference in that regard -- and I have no idea by looking at a typical Maven config file what it does.
        empthought 9y ago
        You should probably learn to expand your comfort zones more effectively, if the Java ecosystem terrifies you.
        foldr 9y ago
        It's not a macho thing for me. I use the tools that are easiest to use and do the job. Anyway, I have used a lot of different programming languages, and it's the Java ecosystem specifically that I've always found overwhelming whenever I've tried to dabble with it. So I think the problem is Java, not me.
        9y ago

hota_mazi 9y ago

> You're leaving out a lot when you say it'd take you "five minutes with a simple Maven/Gradle build". What's a maven? What's gradle? What's groovy and where can I learn it? You have similar concerns with node (What's npm? etc...) These are peripheral and necessary knowledge on both platforms. > Getting from zero to JSON api in node.js is fast by comparison It's only fast because you already have the knowledge. Two equally proficient developers in Java and node will set up and get a server up and running in about the same amount of time. The idea that it's a faster to achieve in a dynamically typed language is a myth.

skolsuper 9y ago
> It's only fast because you already have the knowledge. No, when I said "from zero" I meant from zero knowledge. > You have similar concerns with node (What's npm? etc...) What's the "etc..."? Install node and you get npm with it. Writing a REST service IS simpler with Node when going from zero, I know because I have done (or at least attempted) both from zero in the recent past. > The idea that it's a faster to achieve in a dynamically typed language is a myth. Doesn't seem like you're open to discussion on this
- mattmanser 9y ago
  This is a classic case of you forgetting all the learning and concepts you needed to get to "zero".
  - foldr 9y ago
    I don't think so. Npm is included with node and is very simple to use.
    - empthought 9y ago
      So your main argument is that you have to make two downloads with Java (JDK and Maven) but with Node you need to make one? Seems pretty weak. It can't be anything else, because after you have Maven, it is literally a single command to set up a REST project using Dropwizard.
      - foldr 9y ago
        Well, to an extent this is a subjective question. With node, you get npm with it, npm is what everyone uses, and npm is clearly what you should be using too. Moreover, the basic functionality of npm is very very easy to understand. I find the Java ecosystem terrifying by comparison. I have no idea whether Maven is what I should be using or if I should be using something else instead -- having it as a separate download makes a big difference in that regard -- and I have no idea by looking at a typical Maven config file what it does.
        empthought 9y ago
        You should probably learn to expand your comfort zones more effectively, if the Java ecosystem terrifies you.
        foldr 9y ago
        It's not a macho thing for me. I use the tools that are easiest to use and do the job. Anyway, I have used a lot of different programming languages, and it's the Java ecosystem specifically that I've always found overwhelming whenever I've tried to dabble with it. So I think the problem is Java, not me.
        9y ago