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Clojure's ecosystem is more tightly coupled with emacs than it has to be. In my experience if you want to use the bleeding edge Clojure jars and tools you're b

Clojure's ecosystem is more tightly coupled with emacs than it has to be. In my experience if you want to use the bleeding edge Clojure jars and tools you're best off sticking to emacs. This is an extra training burden for anyone who just wants to poke around in a REPL with some code completion and syntax highlighting capability. Here's my latest (failed) attempt to get VimClojure working with Clojure 1.2 (search for dpritchett): http://clojure-log.n01se.net/date/2010-05-13.html http://clojure-log.n01se.net/date/2010-05-13.html

cemerick 16y ago
Both enclojure (for NetBeans) and counterclockwise (Eclipse) are solid environments that are being used full-time by a bunch of people. I've used the former for a long time, and am on the bleeding edge most of the time. Check 'em out. :-)
swannodette 16y ago
Sigh, Clojure isn't tied to Emacs at all. The problem is rather how many people are on the mailing list or IRC channel who can help you with your less popular setup. You could of course save yourself oodles of time by sticking with one of the IDEs which are positively simple to setup or just using your favorite text editor and a regular REPL.
- dpritchett 16y ago
  Curiously it hadn't occurred to me to actually stick with a standalone REPL until I read Alex Miller's comment at the article suggesting just that. I am new to REPLs and to Java-based development and to emacs. When I read about the magic of the REPL's positive feedback loop it's easy for me to think that all of the pieces are equally valuable. It's been a few months now and I can see how just copying and pasting from vim into a standalone REPL wouldn't be a horrible way to go about building something. P.S. - Loved your enlive demo! Thank you for one of the best Clojure examples I've read.
  - technomancy 16y ago
    > Curiously it hadn't occurred to me to actually stick with a standalone REPL The out-of-the-box repl experience on Clojure is really bad. In fact, it's so bad that one begins to suspect it's bad on purpose in order to encourage new users to get their editor integration working sooner rather than later.
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cemerick 16y ago

Both enclojure (for NetBeans) and counterclockwise (Eclipse) are solid environments that are being used full-time by a bunch of people. I've used the former for a long time, and am on the bleeding edge most of the time. Check 'em out. :-)

swannodette 16y ago

Sigh, Clojure isn't tied to Emacs at all. The problem is rather how many people are on the mailing list or IRC channel who can help you with your less popular setup. You could of course save yourself oodles of time by sticking with one of the IDEs which are positively simple to setup or just using your favorite text editor and a regular REPL.

dpritchett 16y ago
Curiously it hadn't occurred to me to actually stick with a standalone REPL until I read Alex Miller's comment at the article suggesting just that. I am new to REPLs and to Java-based development and to emacs. When I read about the magic of the REPL's positive feedback loop it's easy for me to think that all of the pieces are equally valuable. It's been a few months now and I can see how just copying and pasting from vim into a standalone REPL wouldn't be a horrible way to go about building something. P.S. - Loved your enlive demo! Thank you for one of the best Clojure examples I've read.
- technomancy 16y ago
  > Curiously it hadn't occurred to me to actually stick with a standalone REPL The out-of-the-box repl experience on Clojure is really bad. In fact, it's so bad that one begins to suspect it's bad on purpose in order to encourage new users to get their editor integration working sooner rather than later.
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