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being a web developer in the sense of making websites is something that is left to marketing teams and others. You likely will not be developing a website by wr

being a web developer in the sense of making websites is something that is left to marketing teams and others. You likely will not be developing a website by writing raw HTML, PHP, etc. anymore. Now web application development is very much alive, but that tends more to software development.

hashkb 9y ago
When I hear "web developer" I think of a person who produces web applications. "Web designer" is the term for someone who produces WordPress sites.
- thehardsphere 9y ago
  This highlights a very key problem that the OP may be having. Less important than whether or not he is "junior", he needs to know what to call himself in order to correctly communicate the value proposition he's offering to the potential employer's HR department. The only way to know that is to figure out what people call what he wants to do in his market. Maybe he's a "web developer", maybe he's a "software engineer", maybe he's something in between. But he should definitely A/B test terms to see whether his responses change and how.
  - lj3 9y ago
    The problem is "web developer" is a junior role now. Nobody hires web developers with 10 years of experience unless they know the underlying "software engineer" stuff to go along with it. The market is flooded with bootcamp devs that are now doing what was considered 'software engineer only' territory 10 years ago. Some designers are also getting wise and realizing that HTML/CSS and javascript aren't beyond their ability to learn.
  - toexitthedonut 9y ago
    I'm aware that job titles tend to be loosey-goosey in many programming jobs, aside from the largest of companies that have a big enough sample size. For instance, my title for a web marketing agency was 'associate software engineer'. It was the typical job of setting up CMS sites, customizing plugins for them, or occasionally making a very static site from scratch. I gradually got into doing more complex work like writing apps on MVC frameworks. But I think there may be indeed another career ladder I need to jump on if I want to actually do the "engineering" part correctly.

hashkb 9y ago

When I hear "web developer" I think of a person who produces web applications. "Web designer" is the term for someone who produces WordPress sites.

thehardsphere 9y ago
This highlights a very key problem that the OP may be having. Less important than whether or not he is "junior", he needs to know what to call himself in order to correctly communicate the value proposition he's offering to the potential employer's HR department. The only way to know that is to figure out what people call what he wants to do in his market. Maybe he's a "web developer", maybe he's a "software engineer", maybe he's something in between. But he should definitely A/B test terms to see whether his responses change and how.
- lj3 9y ago
  The problem is "web developer" is a junior role now. Nobody hires web developers with 10 years of experience unless they know the underlying "software engineer" stuff to go along with it. The market is flooded with bootcamp devs that are now doing what was considered 'software engineer only' territory 10 years ago. Some designers are also getting wise and realizing that HTML/CSS and javascript aren't beyond their ability to learn.
- toexitthedonut 9y ago
  I'm aware that job titles tend to be loosey-goosey in many programming jobs, aside from the largest of companies that have a big enough sample size. For instance, my title for a web marketing agency was 'associate software engineer'. It was the typical job of setting up CMS sites, customizing plugins for them, or occasionally making a very static site from scratch. I gradually got into doing more complex work like writing apps on MVC frameworks. But I think there may be indeed another career ladder I need to jump on if I want to actually do the "engineering" part correctly.