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yes, absolutely. the kinds of folks that uproot themselves to move to a new country and culture to make a better life also tend to be interesting and add cultur

yes, absolutely. the kinds of folks that uproot themselves to move to a new country and culture to make a better life also tend to be interesting and add cultural richness as well. =)

selimthegrim 10y ago
I don't think that's the ax rayiner is grinding here.
rayiner 10y ago
I'm an immigrant from Bangladesh. My parents moved here when I was about 5 years old (my dad on an H1-B). I think folks like me, my parents, and other immigrants I know contribute a lot to America. At the same time, America has given us far more than we have given it. It has Americanized us, acculturated us into views and values that are better than what we would have been acculturated into had we stayed in Bangladesh. Working hard and being smart isn't what makes America great. Bangladeshis are smart and they work incredibly hard, but Bangladesh isn't great. It is the virtue of ordinary American people that makes our society function so well. It's the supermarket employee who goes to work the day after her preferred candidate loses an election instead of participating in a violent strike, or the telephone company worker who doesn't demand a bribe to install your phone line. You threaten to lose that if you allow "anyone who wants to work hard" to move here with no other considerations.
- statictype 10y ago
  It sounds like you're advocating vetting of immigrants. Was your father vetted before he came? I too followed a similar path with parents migrating from South Asia. What seems clear to me is that behaviour is a function of environment. The same Bangladeshi that needs a bribe to put in the phone line isn't going to be demanding one when he sets it up for you in New Jersey. (I don't think you even disagree with that)
  - rayiner 10y ago
    > It sounds like you're advocating vetting of immigrants. I'm advocating rate-limiting immigration to a level that allows us to comfortably absorb and Americanize the people coming in. > What seems clear to me is that behavior is a function of environment. The "environment" is created by people. If you plop 10 Bangladeshis into New Jersey, they will conform to the environment. If you plop 10,000 Bangladeshis into New Jersey, you will have imported the environment from Bangladesh to New Jersey.

yes, absolutely. the kinds of folks that uproot themselves to move to a new country and culture to make a better life also tend to be interesting and add cultural richness as well. =)

selimthegrim 10y ago

I don't think that's the ax rayiner is grinding here.

rayiner 10y ago

I'm an immigrant from Bangladesh. My parents moved here when I was about 5 years old (my dad on an H1-B). I think folks like me, my parents, and other immigrants I know contribute a lot to America. At the same time, America has given us far more than we have given it. It has Americanized us, acculturated us into views and values that are better than what we would have been acculturated into had we stayed in Bangladesh. Working hard and being smart isn't what makes America great. Bangladeshis are smart and they work incredibly hard, but Bangladesh isn't great. It is the virtue of ordinary American people that makes our society function so well. It's the supermarket employee who goes to work the day after her preferred candidate loses an election instead of participating in a violent strike, or the telephone company worker who doesn't demand a bribe to install your phone line. You threaten to lose that if you allow "anyone who wants to work hard" to move here with no other considerations.

statictype 10y ago
It sounds like you're advocating vetting of immigrants. Was your father vetted before he came? I too followed a similar path with parents migrating from South Asia. What seems clear to me is that behaviour is a function of environment. The same Bangladeshi that needs a bribe to put in the phone line isn't going to be demanding one when he sets it up for you in New Jersey. (I don't think you even disagree with that)
- rayiner 10y ago
  > It sounds like you're advocating vetting of immigrants. I'm advocating rate-limiting immigration to a level that allows us to comfortably absorb and Americanize the people coming in. > What seems clear to me is that behavior is a function of environment. The "environment" is created by people. If you plop 10 Bangladeshis into New Jersey, they will conform to the environment. If you plop 10,000 Bangladeshis into New Jersey, you will have imported the environment from Bangladesh to New Jersey.