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Amazon AWS has to have the worst UX out of all the devops UI's I've ever seen. CPanel looks nicer than their UI.

tsukaisute 10y ago
And yet, I like the current look. It's clean and functional, and doesn't have the modern/flat/whatever style that makes one lose context easily. Do you prefer something like the S3 redesign? I'm scared they will do that to the whole site. (Not to mention, most tasks you should script/do from the CLI, once you got the hang of things.)
- Chlorus 10y ago
  Can you script 'reading the docs' for me, because that's the part where their design most grates ;) ? Por ejemplo, for tables of methods/functions on objects, the cell sizes are ridiculously huge, so I have to zoom out to like 25% on the page to see more than 2 funcs at a time.
newsat13 10y ago
CPanel has a terrible UX. TBH, I don't understand the point of the product. I see that it makes it easy to "edit" files without having to SSH but seriously server administration goes away beyond editing files without understanding syntax. I can only take comfort that most of CPanel deploys are in intranets (or so I hope).
- ohyeshedid 10y ago
  Don't forget that installing CPanel also basically hijacks your system. Want to remove CPanel and manage everything properly? Just reimage and build from scratch, otherwise you'll end up going bald from scratching your head, and blind from hatred. I understand the urge for some people to use a control panel, but CPanel and it's like seem specifically designed for people that want to be webhosts without knowing anything required to be an actual webhost. I think that's reflected in the UI/UX.
ceejayoz 10y ago
> CPanel looks nicer than their UI. And yet, while reasonably pretty, cPanel sucks. It's actively harmful to effectively administering a webserver. Maybe how it works matters more than how it looks?
- ohyeshedid 10y ago
  Not only actively harmful, but I honestly believe it's designed to be unnecessarily complex to make nonadmins feel like they're tackling admin challenges. I'll stop short of saying it's a dark pattern, but the case could probably be easily made.
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    We got so many unsolvable cPanel questions on ServerFault it's mere presence on a server is now a reason to close a question.

And yet, I like the current look. It's clean and functional, and doesn't have the modern/flat/whatever style that makes one lose context easily. Do you prefer something like the S3 redesign? I'm scared they will do that to the whole site. (Not to mention, most tasks you should script/do from the CLI, once you got the hang of things.)

Chlorus 10y ago
Can you script 'reading the docs' for me, because that's the part where their design most grates ;) ? Por ejemplo, for tables of methods/functions on objects, the cell sizes are ridiculously huge, so I have to zoom out to like 25% on the page to see more than 2 funcs at a time.

newsat13 10y ago

CPanel has a terrible UX. TBH, I don't understand the point of the product. I see that it makes it easy to "edit" files without having to SSH but seriously server administration goes away beyond editing files without understanding syntax. I can only take comfort that most of CPanel deploys are in intranets (or so I hope).

ohyeshedid 10y ago
Don't forget that installing CPanel also basically hijacks your system. Want to remove CPanel and manage everything properly? Just reimage and build from scratch, otherwise you'll end up going bald from scratching your head, and blind from hatred. I understand the urge for some people to use a control panel, but CPanel and it's like seem specifically designed for people that want to be webhosts without knowing anything required to be an actual webhost. I think that's reflected in the UI/UX.

ceejayoz 10y ago

> CPanel looks nicer than their UI. And yet, while reasonably pretty, cPanel sucks. It's actively harmful to effectively administering a webserver. Maybe how it works matters more than how it looks?

ohyeshedid 10y ago
Not only actively harmful, but I honestly believe it's designed to be unnecessarily complex to make nonadmins feel like they're tackling admin challenges. I'll stop short of saying it's a dark pattern, but the case could probably be easily made.
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  We got so many unsolvable cPanel questions on ServerFault it's mere presence on a server is now a reason to close a question.