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Disagree. Professionals push back towards professionalism, which should be free from micro-culture in jokes. The profession is international, and there are man

Disagree. Professionals push back towards professionalism, which should be free from micro-culture in jokes. The profession is international, and there are many indulging in this who do not have the perspective to recognize the actual cost of insularity. More to the point bro-grammer crap is explicitly barrier-raising. Clique-based behavior, however graced with knowing winks, led directly to the current crisis of culture in the Valley in general, and start-up culture in particular. As such it is most definitely at best in the category of funny-once. And the joke played out long ago.

Karunamon 10y ago
Says who? Who determines what professionalism means? Because I have a definition that states you use the best tool for the job at hand, rather than choosing (yes, choosing) to complain loudly about poorly-described-and-argued ancillary matters which don't directly impact the operation of said tool. I reject the idea that "professionalism" means that the cheeky, mischevious humor that has basically defined the hacker spirit for decades must be stamped out or suppressed.
- jakelazaroff 10y ago
  So where do we draw the line when that "cheeky, mischievous humor" actually excludes people from our community? Words matter. There are plenty of studies that show e.g. certain language in job listings discourages women from applying: https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/ https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    So where do we draw the line when that "cheeky, mischievous humor" actually excludes people from our community? When it can be reasonably proven that this is actually happening in this case. A reasonable start would be finding a real (as opposed to straw) person who feels "excluded". If "bruh" is legitimately "excluding people from the community" in this context (And let's be honest here: a job posting is not equivalent in any way to a readme on a git repo), then by all means, let's have the conversation. If it isn't? This is all just noise. Worse, actively harmful and distracting noise.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >So where do we draw the line when that "cheeky, mischievous humor" actually excludes people from our community? First, who said the goal is not to exclude anyone? It's totally fine for someone to want to exclude humorless squares.
    - Karunamon 10y ago
      You got flagged off for this, probably because of the thinly veiled insult, but I'd agree that there's nothing wrong with signaling that you'd rather not work with people with a deficiency of sense of humor. If "wat", "bruh" and "performance gainzzz" (of all things.. we're not talking about slurs here) in a readme actually gets people to self select out of using an update checker, I find it very hard to see that as anything other than a positive for people who want to work, rather than debate sociology. ...not that I think that was an intentional goal of the author.
- greglindahl 10y ago
  People tell me that my long hair is unprofessional.
stouset 10y ago
You aren't actually disagreeing with him. He's pointing out what's happening, and you're arguing that it's bad. Those two positions aren't opposed in any way.
nathan_f77 10y ago
echo "This is available on most of the servers that run the internet" | cowsay -f head-in I think the programming profession has always been a pretty relaxed culture.

Karunamon 10y ago

Says who? Who determines what professionalism means? Because I have a definition that states you use the best tool for the job at hand, rather than choosing (yes, choosing) to complain loudly about poorly-described-and-argued ancillary matters which don't directly impact the operation of said tool. I reject the idea that "professionalism" means that the cheeky, mischevious humor that has basically defined the hacker spirit for decades must be stamped out or suppressed.

jakelazaroff 10y ago
So where do we draw the line when that "cheeky, mischievous humor" actually excludes people from our community? Words matter. There are plenty of studies that show e.g. certain language in job listings discourages women from applying: https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/ https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/
- Karunamon 10y ago
  So where do we draw the line when that "cheeky, mischievous humor" actually excludes people from our community? When it can be reasonably proven that this is actually happening in this case. A reasonable start would be finding a real (as opposed to straw) person who feels "excluded". If "bruh" is legitimately "excluding people from the community" in this context (And let's be honest here: a job posting is not equivalent in any way to a readme on a git repo), then by all means, let's have the conversation. If it isn't? This is all just noise. Worse, actively harmful and distracting noise.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >So where do we draw the line when that "cheeky, mischievous humor" actually excludes people from our community? First, who said the goal is not to exclude anyone? It's totally fine for someone to want to exclude humorless squares.
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    You got flagged off for this, probably because of the thinly veiled insult, but I'd agree that there's nothing wrong with signaling that you'd rather not work with people with a deficiency of sense of humor. If "wat", "bruh" and "performance gainzzz" (of all things.. we're not talking about slurs here) in a readme actually gets people to self select out of using an update checker, I find it very hard to see that as anything other than a positive for people who want to work, rather than debate sociology. ...not that I think that was an intentional goal of the author.
greglindahl 10y ago
People tell me that my long hair is unprofessional.

stouset 10y ago

You aren't actually disagreeing with him. He's pointing out what's happening, and you're arguing that it's bad. Those two positions aren't opposed in any way.

nathan_f77 10y ago

echo "This is available on most of the servers that run the internet" | cowsay -f head-in I think the programming profession has always been a pretty relaxed culture.