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> a workplace full of only entry-level opportunities I agree with the rest of your post, except this part. Entry level jobs are what people should be getting

> a workplace full of only entry-level opportunities I agree with the rest of your post, except this part. Entry level jobs are what people should be getting straight out of college. Senior positions and management jobs go to the people with the experience to do them, and that's almost certainly not a person with a year of experience and a new bachelor's degree. I kind of wonder if these weird expectations aren't part of the problem. If the definition of success is to graduate college and move straight to senior management, things might not work out so well...

anigbrowl 10y ago
Why would you need to go to college to do an entry-level job? Conversely, who wants to spend 4 years (and probably $$$) getting a college degree in order to then work a job that bores them to tears? Perhaps you meant 'entry-level' within some more specific context but nowadays employers seem to think people need a bachelor's degree to answer the phone.
- true_religion 10y ago
  Charitably, you would expect a HN user to use entry level with respect to programming or engineering. Entry level is always within the context of a specific field. You can't say be a master electrician then switch to plumbing and expect the same pay. Your experience is null, and your have to start as entry-level in the new field.
- jlarocco 10y ago
  > Why would you need to go to college to do an entry-level job? "Entry level" positions are by definition for people just entering a field, and have nothing to do with whether the position requires a degree. Entry level retail doesn't need a college degree, for example. In a lot of fields, though, getting a degree is the bare minimum qualification, so simply having one doesn't give you a leg up. Why hire a person just out of school for a senior level position when there are more experienced people (also with degrees) applying for it? Feel free to apply, but experience will win out every time. > Conversely, who wants to spend 4 years (and probably $$$) getting a college degree in order to then work a job that bores them to tears? That's not really what work is about. Every job is boring and sucks sometimes, that's why it's called "work" and not "leisure" or "playing" or "fun". Unfortunately, a degree isn't a magic certificate to avoid boring work.

anigbrowl 10y ago

Why would you need to go to college to do an entry-level job? Conversely, who wants to spend 4 years (and probably $$$) getting a college degree in order to then work a job that bores them to tears? Perhaps you meant 'entry-level' within some more specific context but nowadays employers seem to think people need a bachelor's degree to answer the phone.

true_religion 10y ago
Charitably, you would expect a HN user to use entry level with respect to programming or engineering. Entry level is always within the context of a specific field. You can't say be a master electrician then switch to plumbing and expect the same pay. Your experience is null, and your have to start as entry-level in the new field.
jlarocco 10y ago
> Why would you need to go to college to do an entry-level job? "Entry level" positions are by definition for people just entering a field, and have nothing to do with whether the position requires a degree. Entry level retail doesn't need a college degree, for example. In a lot of fields, though, getting a degree is the bare minimum qualification, so simply having one doesn't give you a leg up. Why hire a person just out of school for a senior level position when there are more experienced people (also with degrees) applying for it? Feel free to apply, but experience will win out every time. > Conversely, who wants to spend 4 years (and probably $$$) getting a college degree in order to then work a job that bores them to tears? That's not really what work is about. Every job is boring and sucks sometimes, that's why it's called "work" and not "leisure" or "playing" or "fun". Unfortunately, a degree isn't a magic certificate to avoid boring work.