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And accumulate crippling debt in order to live life according to the prosperous fantasy that you happen to grow up in? Japan is about 20 years ahead of current

And accumulate crippling debt in order to live life according to the prosperous fantasy that you happen to grow up in? Japan is about 20 years ahead of current US/EU monetary policy. This is coming to America and it's not an accident and it's not people getting lazy and stupid. Things have gotten more expensive, more unequal and more competitive. And at least Japan has strong safety nets, America doesn't.

stock_toaster 9y ago
One major differnce is that, from what I understand, land/housing in Japan has historically been generationally owned (very long mortgages, such as 100 years, paid off after multiple generations). That is generally quite rare in the US (not sure about EU).
phs318u 9y ago
Why are you assuming my kids will have crippling debt? What if they are happy to start off life in a simple one bed apartment of which our contribution will be roughly 80% of the cost? My parents started their life together in a small flat and ended up in a 3 bed home which growing up we thought was huge. My girls' expectations are not unrealistic. They don't expect to move out of the family home and into a huge home with a pool. I never said people were lazy or stupid nor did I imply it. However to claim as some are, that people don't have choices in life is just plain wrong. You might not like the choices you have available but you've got them. And you're free to choose your path from among them. Don't get me wrong and conflate what I'm saying with some kind political ideology. All I'm saying is that people are faced with personal choices and need to own their choices and the consequences of their choices.
- falcolas 9y ago
  > Why are you assuming my kids will have crippling debt? Not the OP, but do they expect to go to college? Do you plan to cover their college costs? If the answers are yes and no, they will come away with anywhere from $20,000 to $200,000 in student loan debts. I'm not sure how it could be more crippling... You may have set the expectation that they will go out and live on their own, but were one of them to come to the point of becoming homeless (whatever the cause), would you let that happen to them? If one developed a crippling disease which didn't let them work a full time job, but also didn't kill them outright, what would you do then? Intentions are great, but reality tends to kick intentions to the curb.
  - cmahler7 9y ago
    there's things called scholarships, worked well for me and lots of other people. The problem is that easy student loans has made it so people who should have never gone to college are now going and flunking out after a few semesters of partying and now have 10s of thousands in debt with nothing to show for it. Combine easy money with indoctrination telling kids that they will be losers if they don't go and you have the current situation
    - falcolas 9y ago
      Scholarships are hard to get when you're a white male with perfectly good (but not exceptional) grades. A bit easier when you're a woman, since they have more scholarships earmarked for you. Most people won't have scholorships, or at least not enough scholorships to cover their entire tuition. > telling kids that they will be losers if they don't go It's worse than "mere" peer pressure. A 4 year college education is all-but-required for entry level white collar jobs anymore. A college degree is this century's High School Diploma.
      - cmahler7 9y ago
        Not really, only 1/3rd of millennials have degrees. Meanwhile there are tons of trade jobs that don't get filled because there's a stigma against it.
        falcolas 9y ago
        > because there's a stigma against it. And they frequently paid really low wages, since they're expected to be filled by immigrants, both legal and illegal. $10 an hour seasonally to pick onions? $15 an hour for a professional welder? Those are near-poverty level wages.
  - pm90 9y ago
    There are ways to do college cheaply. A peer mentioned scholarships if you come from an economically disadvantageous background. But there is always the Community College option. I think that is often overlooked because parents want their kids to enjoy the same "college lifestyle" that they themselves had, but it might be financially more prudent for them to start CC and then transfer to a better college later. Having a manageable student debt is undoubtedly more important than the "college experience" IMO. College is really really important for the education; if you make the most of it and obtain the skills to make money, you ensure a much more sustainable and enjoyable quality of life.
- icefox 9y ago
  If you will give them 80% of the cost they will choose something bigger than they should. Checkout the book the millionaire next door for some stories about parents that would subsidies their children and how it turned out.
  - phs318u 9y ago
    If they choose unwisely they will have to live with the consequences of their choices. That's the whole point.
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stock_toaster 9y ago

One major differnce is that, from what I understand, land/housing in Japan has historically been generationally owned (very long mortgages, such as 100 years, paid off after multiple generations). That is generally quite rare in the US (not sure about EU).

phs318u 9y ago

Why are you assuming my kids will have crippling debt? What if they are happy to start off life in a simple one bed apartment of which our contribution will be roughly 80% of the cost? My parents started their life together in a small flat and ended up in a 3 bed home which growing up we thought was huge. My girls' expectations are not unrealistic. They don't expect to move out of the family home and into a huge home with a pool. I never said people were lazy or stupid nor did I imply it. However to claim as some are, that people don't have choices in life is just plain wrong. You might not like the choices you have available but you've got them. And you're free to choose your path from among them. Don't get me wrong and conflate what I'm saying with some kind political ideology. All I'm saying is that people are faced with personal choices and need to own their choices and the consequences of their choices.

falcolas 9y ago
> Why are you assuming my kids will have crippling debt? Not the OP, but do they expect to go to college? Do you plan to cover their college costs? If the answers are yes and no, they will come away with anywhere from $20,000 to $200,000 in student loan debts. I'm not sure how it could be more crippling... You may have set the expectation that they will go out and live on their own, but were one of them to come to the point of becoming homeless (whatever the cause), would you let that happen to them? If one developed a crippling disease which didn't let them work a full time job, but also didn't kill them outright, what would you do then? Intentions are great, but reality tends to kick intentions to the curb.
- cmahler7 9y ago
  there's things called scholarships, worked well for me and lots of other people. The problem is that easy student loans has made it so people who should have never gone to college are now going and flunking out after a few semesters of partying and now have 10s of thousands in debt with nothing to show for it. Combine easy money with indoctrination telling kids that they will be losers if they don't go and you have the current situation
  - falcolas 9y ago
    Scholarships are hard to get when you're a white male with perfectly good (but not exceptional) grades. A bit easier when you're a woman, since they have more scholarships earmarked for you. Most people won't have scholorships, or at least not enough scholorships to cover their entire tuition. > telling kids that they will be losers if they don't go It's worse than "mere" peer pressure. A 4 year college education is all-but-required for entry level white collar jobs anymore. A college degree is this century's High School Diploma.
    - cmahler7 9y ago
      Not really, only 1/3rd of millennials have degrees. Meanwhile there are tons of trade jobs that don't get filled because there's a stigma against it.
      - falcolas 9y ago
        > because there's a stigma against it. And they frequently paid really low wages, since they're expected to be filled by immigrants, both legal and illegal. $10 an hour seasonally to pick onions? $15 an hour for a professional welder? Those are near-poverty level wages.
- pm90 9y ago
  There are ways to do college cheaply. A peer mentioned scholarships if you come from an economically disadvantageous background. But there is always the Community College option. I think that is often overlooked because parents want their kids to enjoy the same "college lifestyle" that they themselves had, but it might be financially more prudent for them to start CC and then transfer to a better college later. Having a manageable student debt is undoubtedly more important than the "college experience" IMO. College is really really important for the education; if you make the most of it and obtain the skills to make money, you ensure a much more sustainable and enjoyable quality of life.
icefox 9y ago
If you will give them 80% of the cost they will choose something bigger than they should. Checkout the book the millionaire next door for some stories about parents that would subsidies their children and how it turned out.
- phs318u 9y ago
  If they choose unwisely they will have to live with the consequences of their choices. That's the whole point.

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