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It is not a miracle. Indians immigrating to US are more educated than the general US population [1] (40.6% have graduate degree, 32.3% have bachelor's). Have y

It is not a miracle. Indians immigrating to US are more educated than the general US population [1] (40.6% have graduate degree, 32.3% have bachelor's). Have you also thought about why Indian American kids win spelling bee's or Jews win Nobel Prize disproportionately when compared to their population? Comparing Indians or Asians to blacks is not fair. They are mostly recent immigrants (except few brought in as labourers) and did not have to suffer through the horrors of slavery which left blacks with broken family structure and other things (It is complex, like housing seggregation where the black neighbourhoods did not increase in wealth when compared to white neighbourhoods, criminal justice system) [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/30/5-facts-about-indian-americans/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/30/5-facts-abou...

FooBarJmp 9y ago
So, this is a topic I've very passionate about. I work quite of few H1Bs. Most of them have Masters degrees from India. The QA team is 80% H1Bs, all with Masters degrees from India. Of the 8 QA engineers, only 1 writes code. The others did do some programming when they got their undergrad and graduate degrees in India, but for some reason, none of the 7 write code. None, zero. Can't even get them to press the F12 key, look at the details of a failed request, and add it to the bug. To me this says three things, either the schools in India are horrible, there is lots of cheating going on, or lack of passion in a chosen career renders all advance degrees to null. So, you do realize that Indians have been coming to the USA for a long time? You do realize that there were pioneers from India in the USA that fought for rights that you are just dismiss as trivial. Here, read something - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_... Lastly just because someone has more degrees doesn't make them smarter or more intelligent.
- jeevand 9y ago
  I said most Indians are recent immigrants (not all). I cared about most Indians because when you are speaking about median income it is the most that matters not outliers. How is the Bhagat Singh case is anyway related to when you are speaking about median income? I did not say more degrees makes you smarter but there is a direct correlation between education and income. That was the point being discussed
gragas 9y ago
>Have you also thought about why Indian American kids win spelling bee's or Jews win Nobel Prize disproportionately when compared to their population? You make me laugh. Indians are nowhere close to Jews. Sure, Indians make up 1% of the US population, but they also make up almost one fifth of Earth's population as a whole. There are more than one billion Indians on Earth. If you want to play the "maybe they're just biologically superior" card, (1) that's contradicting your own argument and (2) it just doesn't work with Indians. Of course you will see a generally smart group of people when you specifically only let in the top 0.0001% of the Indian population to begin with. To be completely clear, I don't mean that any specific race is inherently bad or good. I'm just providing a viewpoint as a non-Indian person who is a part of the situation.
- cscurmudgeon 9y ago
  Is it cronyism or is it "you will see a generally smart group of people when you specifically only let in the top 0.0001% of the Indian population to begin with"? Or is it both? Or maybe Indians are lizard people that eat babies.
  - jeevand 9y ago
    thank you cscurmudgeon. Only you seem to get it. I included Jews to prove that being model minority is quite complex and not all minorities can be compared. I think most missed the point and went into genetics which i don't believe in. I was expecting people to understand that if your parents are educated, you are more likely to be educated which proves to be the case for Jews and Indians in US.
- shripadk 9y ago
  > You make me laugh. Indians are nowhere close to Jews. Sure, Indians make up 1% of the US population, but they also make up almost one fifth of Earth's population as a whole. There are more than one billion Indians on Earth. The problem really is that you are comparing a geographic (Indian) to followers of a religion (Jews). Indians can be Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Atheists, Christians or even Jews. It's wrong to compare 1 billion Indians of various ethnicities, cultures and religions with followers of a single religion - Jews. > Of course you will see a generally smart group of people when you specifically only let in the top 0.0001% of the Indian population to begin with. Also saying that top 0.0001% of Indian populace go to the US is another fallacy. Firstly, you are making an assumption that the top 0.0001% of Indian populace apply to the US in the first place. There is no data to back this up. Secondly, most of the top/successful Indian businessman are from India and not Indian-Americans. Sure, Indian-Americans are on average more successful and wealthy than the average Indian on account of being in an already developed country. That does not mean they are crème de la crème. There is not even a single Indian-American who is as successful, influential or powerful as Ratan Tata, Anil/Mukesh Ambani, Gautam Adani, Azim Premji or even Narayan Murthy. Show me one Indian-American founded company that can compete with the scale of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6SAMsyHbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6SAMsyHbo
flukus 9y ago
> Have you also thought about why Indian American kids win spelling bee's Because their parents and education system still focus on rote learning, we moved on from that waste of time decades ago.
- ouesp 9y ago
  Asians are good at Math than Americans. Is that rote learning too ? > we moved on from that waste of time decades ago. No wonder Asians are taking over.
  - flukus 9y ago
    You'll have to be more specific. Quite a lot of what schools consider math is rote learning, from time tables in early years to forumalas in later ones.

FooBarJmp 9y ago

So, this is a topic I've very passionate about. I work quite of few H1Bs. Most of them have Masters degrees from India. The QA team is 80% H1Bs, all with Masters degrees from India. Of the 8 QA engineers, only 1 writes code. The others did do some programming when they got their undergrad and graduate degrees in India, but for some reason, none of the 7 write code. None, zero. Can't even get them to press the F12 key, look at the details of a failed request, and add it to the bug. To me this says three things, either the schools in India are horrible, there is lots of cheating going on, or lack of passion in a chosen career renders all advance degrees to null. So, you do realize that Indians have been coming to the USA for a long time? You do realize that there were pioneers from India in the USA that fought for rights that you are just dismiss as trivial. Here, read something - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_... Lastly just because someone has more degrees doesn't make them smarter or more intelligent.

jeevand 9y ago
I said most Indians are recent immigrants (not all). I cared about most Indians because when you are speaking about median income it is the most that matters not outliers. How is the Bhagat Singh case is anyway related to when you are speaking about median income? I did not say more degrees makes you smarter but there is a direct correlation between education and income. That was the point being discussed

gragas 9y ago

>Have you also thought about why Indian American kids win spelling bee's or Jews win Nobel Prize disproportionately when compared to their population? You make me laugh. Indians are nowhere close to Jews. Sure, Indians make up 1% of the US population, but they also make up almost one fifth of Earth's population as a whole. There are more than one billion Indians on Earth. If you want to play the "maybe they're just biologically superior" card, (1) that's contradicting your own argument and (2) it just doesn't work with Indians. Of course you will see a generally smart group of people when you specifically only let in the top 0.0001% of the Indian population to begin with. To be completely clear, I don't mean that any specific race is inherently bad or good. I'm just providing a viewpoint as a non-Indian person who is a part of the situation.

cscurmudgeon 9y ago
Is it cronyism or is it "you will see a generally smart group of people when you specifically only let in the top 0.0001% of the Indian population to begin with"? Or is it both? Or maybe Indians are lizard people that eat babies.
- jeevand 9y ago
  thank you cscurmudgeon. Only you seem to get it. I included Jews to prove that being model minority is quite complex and not all minorities can be compared. I think most missed the point and went into genetics which i don't believe in. I was expecting people to understand that if your parents are educated, you are more likely to be educated which proves to be the case for Jews and Indians in US.
shripadk 9y ago
> You make me laugh. Indians are nowhere close to Jews. Sure, Indians make up 1% of the US population, but they also make up almost one fifth of Earth's population as a whole. There are more than one billion Indians on Earth. The problem really is that you are comparing a geographic (Indian) to followers of a religion (Jews). Indians can be Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Atheists, Christians or even Jews. It's wrong to compare 1 billion Indians of various ethnicities, cultures and religions with followers of a single religion - Jews. > Of course you will see a generally smart group of people when you specifically only let in the top 0.0001% of the Indian population to begin with. Also saying that top 0.0001% of Indian populace go to the US is another fallacy. Firstly, you are making an assumption that the top 0.0001% of Indian populace apply to the US in the first place. There is no data to back this up. Secondly, most of the top/successful Indian businessman are from India and not Indian-Americans. Sure, Indian-Americans are on average more successful and wealthy than the average Indian on account of being in an already developed country. That does not mean they are crème de la crème. There is not even a single Indian-American who is as successful, influential or powerful as Ratan Tata, Anil/Mukesh Ambani, Gautam Adani, Azim Premji or even Narayan Murthy. Show me one Indian-American founded company that can compete with the scale of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6SAMsyHbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6SAMsyHbo

flukus 9y ago

> Have you also thought about why Indian American kids win spelling bee's Because their parents and education system still focus on rote learning, we moved on from that waste of time decades ago.

ouesp 9y ago
Asians are good at Math than Americans. Is that rote learning too ? > we moved on from that waste of time decades ago. No wonder Asians are taking over.
- flukus 9y ago
  You'll have to be more specific. Quite a lot of what schools consider math is rote learning, from time tables in early years to forumalas in later ones.