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>Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words The hypocrisy here is truly disgusting. One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next m

by gragas 9y ago

>Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words The hypocrisy here is truly disgusting. One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next moment, they don't mean anything at all. If a person can't see past this man's partisanship, then they are hopeless; when reason and logic are out the window, it's over. For those who want evidence from the mouth of Chuck Schumer himself [1]: >Schumer said that he called Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly on Saturday "to urge the administration to rescind these anti-American executive actions that will do absolutely nothing to improve our safety." >"In fact, they will do the opposite. We have a long and proud tradition of accepting refugees who seek safety in the United States, after a long and thorough vetting process. That tradition should continue," he said. >“These executive orders were mean-spirited and un-American in their origin, and implemented in a way that has caused chaos and confusion across the country. They will only serve to embolden and inspire those around the globe who would do us harm. They must be reversed, immediately," Schumer added. It's like politicians aren't even pretending anymore. The thing that kills me is that people actually buy this stuff. Maybe Chuck is right about the executive order on immigration. Maybe he's right that executive orders do nothing at all. But he's definitely not right about both things. 1. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316711-schumer-calls-for-trump-admin-to-rescind-refugee-order http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316711-schumer-ca...

jackweirdy 9y ago
> One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next moment, they don't mean anything at all. That's a bit of a simplification, of course it's valid to say one executive order is bad and one is a waste of time - they're different orders that do different things!
wtf_is_up 9y ago
The only purpose Schumer and Pelosi serve in Washington is to sling mud at every single thing the administration does. It makes no difference what it is or where they stood prior.
- gragas 9y ago
  A month ago: Chuck Schumer proclaims "hey! thing A actually affects people! doing thing A is too powerful to use without careful thought!" A few weeks later, after Trump does thing A: Chuck Schumer says "thing A is meaningless. thing A doesn't matter at all" I truly don't understand how people can read the comment above yours and then disagree with you.
- guelo 9y ago
  The same purpose that the opposition party had during the last 8 years.
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guelo 9y ago
It's pretty easy to read the executive order yourself. Sec. 5 (b) is the section in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/18/presidential-executive-order-buy-american-and-hire-american https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/18/presi... "shall, as soon as practicable, suggest reforms" is the actual meat of it.
- gragas 9y ago
  >Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words Was the executive order on immigration "just words" to Chuck Schumer? No. The answer is no. Just plain no. Chuck Schumer is a hypocrite, and if you align with him on both issues, then you clearly don't think for yourself. Could it not be that some executive orders are meaningful (e.g., orders on immigration) and others aren't (e.g., kinda hand-wavy orders on "creating jobs")? I really hope Trump follows through with his ideas about the H-1B program. But I'm also not mindlessly aligned with one side of politics, so I can understand that his order today will probably have no effect.
MisterBastahrd 9y ago
More like you're a black and white sorta person and don't actually understand the nuance here. It's true that Trump's executive order accomplishes nothing in terms of how H1-Bs are processed. It's also true that his rhetoric has a chilling affect on potential immigrants and companies who do business with them. Schumer is right.
- gragas 9y ago
  >Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words If that sentence isn't a contradiction to you, then I won't be able to convince you. Think for yourself. Schumer overstepped in the name of his political ends.
  - MisterBastahrd 9y ago
    You're hopeless because you apparently don't have the capacity to understand context outside of small sentence fragments.
zobzu 9y ago
Fking A. It's the problem right now: anything Trump says is horrible. If he says A "its the end of the world" If he says B "its useless" On the same topic. It doesn't matter what he says, these people will shut him down. Result? he might be bad, terrible - who knows. Nobody trusts anyone or anything anymore - because all sources lies so much it's too unreliable.
- Clubber 9y ago
  This is exactly how I feel. The news is so sensationalized it's ridiculous. As a thought experiment, read the news headlines from a Trump speech, then watch the actual speech. They focus on a sentence or two and ignore the rest of the speech. Yes, he said something stupid, but what else did he say? Perfect example is the Spicer gas thing. Had he said Hitler didn't use gas on the battlefield, he would have been completely right. In WWI they used gas a lot and everyone expected Hitler to do so. Many theorize it was because Hitler himself was gassed in WWI. What else did Spicer say? You'll have to watch the press conference to find out, the news sure isn't going to tell you. That's subversive as hell. I don't particularly care for Trump, nor any politician for that matter, but I don't like being treated like a child by the news (left and right). For what it's worth, many companies have been using H1B to lower wages. That's all that's on their spreadsheets. They're sold on other things like, "you can ramp up when you need it," and, "you never have to worry about losing people because we have redundancy and will train the new person," but that's all BS. I think it will raise US wages and equity packages for at least the next 10 years or so. 10%, 30%, 50% maybe. I'll take that. They've been suppressed for 20.
  - throwaway4job 9y ago
    I never thought I'd see somebody so broken and drenched in authoritarian Kool-Aid that they'd defend Spicey's multiple Hitler claims. He's a professional communicator who, instead of just walking his comments back to say "Assad did something that Hitler also did, and it was unacceptably evil", he just dug in and kept arguing his dumb point.
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s73ver 9y ago
"The hypocrisy here is truly disgusting. One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next moment, they don't mean anything at all." Talking about different orders which say different things, one which actually does change rules and one which simply directs an agency to "perform a study", doesn't seem hypocritical at all. >If a person can't see past this man's partisanship, then they are hopeless; when reason and logic are out the window, it's over. It doesn't seem to be quite reasonable or logical to treat two things which say different things the same. >It's like politicians aren't even pretending anymore. The thing that kills me is that people actually buy this stuff. Maybe Chuck is right about the executive order on immigration. Maybe he's right that executive orders do nothing at all. But he's definitely not right about both things. They're two different orders. Is it not logical that they could have two different effects?
- djrogers 9y ago
  What he said was: "Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words" He didn't distinguish between two different orders here, he said all of the other ones were just words.
  - s73ver 9y ago
    That interpretation is a huge stretch.

by gragas 9y ago

jackweirdy 9y ago

> One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next moment, they don't mean anything at all. That's a bit of a simplification, of course it's valid to say one executive order is bad and one is a waste of time - they're different orders that do different things!

wtf_is_up 9y ago

The only purpose Schumer and Pelosi serve in Washington is to sling mud at every single thing the administration does. It makes no difference what it is or where they stood prior.

gragas 9y ago
A month ago: Chuck Schumer proclaims "hey! thing A actually affects people! doing thing A is too powerful to use without careful thought!" A few weeks later, after Trump does thing A: Chuck Schumer says "thing A is meaningless. thing A doesn't matter at all" I truly don't understand how people can read the comment above yours and then disagree with you.
guelo 9y ago
The same purpose that the opposition party had during the last 8 years.
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guelo 9y ago

It's pretty easy to read the executive order yourself. Sec. 5 (b) is the section in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/18/presidential-executive-order-buy-american-and-hire-american https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/18/presi... "shall, as soon as practicable, suggest reforms" is the actual meat of it.

gragas 9y ago
>Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words Was the executive order on immigration "just words" to Chuck Schumer? No. The answer is no. Just plain no. Chuck Schumer is a hypocrite, and if you align with him on both issues, then you clearly don't think for yourself. Could it not be that some executive orders are meaningful (e.g., orders on immigration) and others aren't (e.g., kinda hand-wavy orders on "creating jobs")? I really hope Trump follows through with his ideas about the H-1B program. But I'm also not mindlessly aligned with one side of politics, so I can understand that his order today will probably have no effect.

MisterBastahrd 9y ago

More like you're a black and white sorta person and don't actually understand the nuance here. It's true that Trump's executive order accomplishes nothing in terms of how H1-Bs are processed. It's also true that his rhetoric has a chilling affect on potential immigrants and companies who do business with them. Schumer is right.

gragas 9y ago
>Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words If that sentence isn't a contradiction to you, then I won't be able to convince you. Think for yourself. Schumer overstepped in the name of his political ends.
- MisterBastahrd 9y ago
  You're hopeless because you apparently don't have the capacity to understand context outside of small sentence fragments.

zobzu 9y ago

Fking A. It's the problem right now: anything Trump says is horrible. If he says A "its the end of the world" If he says B "its useless" On the same topic. It doesn't matter what he says, these people will shut him down. Result? he might be bad, terrible - who knows. Nobody trusts anyone or anything anymore - because all sources lies so much it's too unreliable.

Clubber 9y ago
This is exactly how I feel. The news is so sensationalized it's ridiculous. As a thought experiment, read the news headlines from a Trump speech, then watch the actual speech. They focus on a sentence or two and ignore the rest of the speech. Yes, he said something stupid, but what else did he say? Perfect example is the Spicer gas thing. Had he said Hitler didn't use gas on the battlefield, he would have been completely right. In WWI they used gas a lot and everyone expected Hitler to do so. Many theorize it was because Hitler himself was gassed in WWI. What else did Spicer say? You'll have to watch the press conference to find out, the news sure isn't going to tell you. That's subversive as hell. I don't particularly care for Trump, nor any politician for that matter, but I don't like being treated like a child by the news (left and right). For what it's worth, many companies have been using H1B to lower wages. That's all that's on their spreadsheets. They're sold on other things like, "you can ramp up when you need it," and, "you never have to worry about losing people because we have redundancy and will train the new person," but that's all BS. I think it will raise US wages and equity packages for at least the next 10 years or so. 10%, 30%, 50% maybe. I'll take that. They've been suppressed for 20.
- throwaway4job 9y ago
  I never thought I'd see somebody so broken and drenched in authoritarian Kool-Aid that they'd defend Spicey's multiple Hitler claims. He's a professional communicator who, instead of just walking his comments back to say "Assad did something that Hitler also did, and it was unacceptably evil", he just dug in and kept arguing his dumb point.
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s73ver 9y ago

"The hypocrisy here is truly disgusting. One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next moment, they don't mean anything at all." Talking about different orders which say different things, one which actually does change rules and one which simply directs an agency to "perform a study", doesn't seem hypocritical at all. >If a person can't see past this man's partisanship, then they are hopeless; when reason and logic are out the window, it's over. It doesn't seem to be quite reasonable or logical to treat two things which say different things the same. >It's like politicians aren't even pretending anymore. The thing that kills me is that people actually buy this stuff. Maybe Chuck is right about the executive order on immigration. Maybe he's right that executive orders do nothing at all. But he's definitely not right about both things. They're two different orders. Is it not logical that they could have two different effects?

djrogers 9y ago
What he said was: "Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words" He didn't distinguish between two different orders here, he said all of the other ones were just words.
- s73ver 9y ago
  That interpretation is a huge stretch.