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I dont seem to have much experience? Based on what? For having a different view than you? Isnt that a little naive? So as far as actually talking about my poin

I dont seem to have much experience? Based on what? For having a different view than you? Isnt that a little naive? So as far as actually talking about my point goes, what exactly am I missing? There are small differences but I've never seen a language that I couldn't get up and going in over the course of a week. How much experience do you think I have? I've used plenty of languages, and I'm well aware that there are nuances.

coldtea 9y ago
>So as far as actually talking about my point goes, what exactly am I missing? There are small differences but I've never seen a language that I couldn't get up and going in over the course of a week. That's because you either used the languages superficially, or use only very similar languages, probably of the Algol family (e.g. Ruby, Python, PHP, JS, etc). You won't get very far with Haskell "over the course of a week". Or APL. Or Idris. Or Erlang. Or Lisp -- or any other language that's not a mere Algol derivative with some different bells and whistles. And even those have their idioms, of course, that one needs much more than a week to get competent with, but, it gets worse when we expand languages to not be "mainstream Algol derivatives". One would only be using languages like Smalltalk, OcamL, Scheme, Scala, Self, etc, superficially without getting into their idioms and nuance, which wont happen in a week (and can take years to really master).
- ruleabidinguser 9y ago
  Well of course you can't include languages like Haskell in the group of interchangeable languages. Incidentally I have used Haskell (and it did take more than a week). But it doesn't matter because we're talking about moving JavaScript developers to Java, or C++, or as you say, Algol-likes.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >Well of course you can't include languages like Haskell in the group of interchangeable languages. Well, if you can only include "interchangeable languages" then it's not an observation but a tautology.
    - ruleabidinguser 9y ago
      No kidding? What I was trying to say (I thought I was pretty clear) is that we're really only considering institutional languages here. As it turns out to my knowledge theyre basically all the same.
tree_of_item 9y ago
> I dont seem to have much experience? Based on what? Based on the fact that you think all programming languages are essentially the same. That's just a ridiculous claim and it immediately exposes you as someone who's only used a couple of Algol derivatives.
- ruleabidinguser 9y ago
  2 things 1. I don't think literally all programming languages are the same 2. I have used Haskell, and am very aware of every language listed in the other replies to this comment, so you're completely wrong. I kind of thought this community was better than this, to be honest.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    This community is in fact pretty good you posted something wholly and totally ridiculous and the worst thing anyone has said is that you need to get out there and get more experience. Try saying silly things on reddit and watch the hate flow in.
    - ruleabidinguser 9y ago
      Well sure we beat reddit I guess, and maybe I just don't post here enough, but I feel like the community is deteriorating. I used to hold this place to higher standards. Also I still don't think what I said was ridiculous, and its something I basically believe.
      - coldtea 9y ago
        Well, it might not be ridiculous IF qualified. E.g. "most of algol-derived languages are quite similar, aside from small differences in syntax and feature set". Or: "Most modern mainstream languages, etc have pretty much similar feature sets and syntax (while still differing in being dynamic vs statically typed etc)" That's not the same as what you said.

coldtea 9y ago

>So as far as actually talking about my point goes, what exactly am I missing? There are small differences but I've never seen a language that I couldn't get up and going in over the course of a week. That's because you either used the languages superficially, or use only very similar languages, probably of the Algol family (e.g. Ruby, Python, PHP, JS, etc). You won't get very far with Haskell "over the course of a week". Or APL. Or Idris. Or Erlang. Or Lisp -- or any other language that's not a mere Algol derivative with some different bells and whistles. And even those have their idioms, of course, that one needs much more than a week to get competent with, but, it gets worse when we expand languages to not be "mainstream Algol derivatives". One would only be using languages like Smalltalk, OcamL, Scheme, Scala, Self, etc, superficially without getting into their idioms and nuance, which wont happen in a week (and can take years to really master).

ruleabidinguser 9y ago
Well of course you can't include languages like Haskell in the group of interchangeable languages. Incidentally I have used Haskell (and it did take more than a week). But it doesn't matter because we're talking about moving JavaScript developers to Java, or C++, or as you say, Algol-likes.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Well of course you can't include languages like Haskell in the group of interchangeable languages. Well, if you can only include "interchangeable languages" then it's not an observation but a tautology.
  - ruleabidinguser 9y ago
    No kidding? What I was trying to say (I thought I was pretty clear) is that we're really only considering institutional languages here. As it turns out to my knowledge theyre basically all the same.

tree_of_item 9y ago

> I dont seem to have much experience? Based on what? Based on the fact that you think all programming languages are essentially the same. That's just a ridiculous claim and it immediately exposes you as someone who's only used a couple of Algol derivatives.

ruleabidinguser 9y ago
2 things 1. I don't think literally all programming languages are the same 2. I have used Haskell, and am very aware of every language listed in the other replies to this comment, so you're completely wrong. I kind of thought this community was better than this, to be honest.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  This community is in fact pretty good you posted something wholly and totally ridiculous and the worst thing anyone has said is that you need to get out there and get more experience. Try saying silly things on reddit and watch the hate flow in.
  - ruleabidinguser 9y ago
    Well sure we beat reddit I guess, and maybe I just don't post here enough, but I feel like the community is deteriorating. I used to hold this place to higher standards. Also I still don't think what I said was ridiculous, and its something I basically believe.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      Well, it might not be ridiculous IF qualified. E.g. "most of algol-derived languages are quite similar, aside from small differences in syntax and feature set". Or: "Most modern mainstream languages, etc have pretty much similar feature sets and syntax (while still differing in being dynamic vs statically typed etc)" That's not the same as what you said.