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I for one just don't give a shit and will completely admit I just eat whatever's cheap and tasty. I doubt many people will admit this, but I bet there are many

I for one just don't give a shit and will completely admit I just eat whatever's cheap and tasty. I doubt many people will admit this, but I bet there are many in the same boat. If we can get lab-grown meat below the cost and/or of improved taste to dead animal meat, it's likely to do very well and open people up more to the moral argument which will cement it. Right now it fails miserably on both fronts. And I'm sure there will be pushback from the "organic"/"all natural" what-have-you crowd which exists now about how lab grown meat has evil chemicals or some equally silly thing.

accountyaccount 9y ago
Could you imagine yourself at any sort of turning point? Or are you at the point where you'd just as gladly kill animals for food yourself? Not trying to criticize, it's how humans have existed for thousands of years — I'm just genuinely curious what a realistic "oh wait, I'm going to not do this" point is for people who eat meat.
- mcculley 9y ago
  > Or are you at the point where you'd just as gladly kill animals for food yourself? Just to be clear in my case as I originally responded: There is a distinction between killing animals to feed oneself and outsourcing the killing to a farm which causes those animals to spend their entire life suffering (e.g., chickens confined to a small cage). That is not how humans existed for thousands of years.
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  - brianwawok 9y ago
    You can outsource the killing of free range chickens or cows. They live much happier lives before I eat them.
    - mcculley 9y ago
      While that is possible, it is difficult to vet the supply chain.
  - accountyaccount 9y ago
    fair point
- mitchty 9y ago
  > Or are you at the point where you'd just as gladly kill animals for food yourself? If you're not willing to look the animal in the eyes and kill it, you shouldn't be eating it. I'll go one further and say if you haven't actually butchered a cow or chicken, you shouldn't be eating that meat. (I'll say the same about pork, bison, ostrich, snake, rabbit, sheep, etc... too but those are less common) I grew up on a farm/ranch, I've looked cows in the eyes that I fed daily to fatten them up just for this purpose. I genuinely don't care about it, its a part of life. So for myself that point probably doesn't exist. You can look at it in two ways philosophically, one, which seems predominant on this forum is that any human inflicted "suffering" is wrong and should be avoided. One other view, which I think most cattle producers would think philosophically, is that you brought into the world more animals than if you didn't exist. Note, I'm just ignoring feed lots here as that isn't what I grew up around, nor does anyone I know support them. Presupposing however that only the former viewpoint regarding suffering is correct is a bit of criticism however. Additionally, if you've ever watched how most predators take down prey, humans are vastly more humane about it. I'd rather we separate out the feedlot question from the actual killing question. The former is an economic issue, the latter I think of in many ways as the Lakota did.
  - burfog 9y ago
    If you haven't actually poured asphalt, you shouldn't be using that road. If you haven't actually connected a pipe to city sewage, you shouldn't be using that flush toilet. If you haven't actually nailed shingles to a roof, you shouldn't be using that roof. Oh come on. Many jobs are miserable and dangerous. I've been 20 feet away from a pig as the guts were removed, and that was more than enough odor. (the pig was full of shit) I don't have a problem with the "look the animal in the eyes" thing though. Animals are just food. I butchered a duck. That didn't smell much, but I was a bit worried about being bitten by external parasites. A cow though... if that thing falls off the crane/hoist/lift thing it'll squish you to death. This isn't some wimpy emotion thing. Squish! Oh, and probably lots of ticks, and prior to death it may kick you or gore you. Cattle are not to be messed with unless you have special training and equipment.
    - mitchty 9y ago

accountyaccount 9y ago

Could you imagine yourself at any sort of turning point? Or are you at the point where you'd just as gladly kill animals for food yourself? Not trying to criticize, it's how humans have existed for thousands of years — I'm just genuinely curious what a realistic "oh wait, I'm going to not do this" point is for people who eat meat.

mcculley 9y ago
> Or are you at the point where you'd just as gladly kill animals for food yourself? Just to be clear in my case as I originally responded: There is a distinction between killing animals to feed oneself and outsourcing the killing to a farm which causes those animals to spend their entire life suffering (e.g., chickens confined to a small cage). That is not how humans existed for thousands of years.
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- brianwawok 9y ago
  You can outsource the killing of free range chickens or cows. They live much happier lives before I eat them.
  - mcculley 9y ago
    While that is possible, it is difficult to vet the supply chain.
- accountyaccount 9y ago
  fair point
mitchty 9y ago
> Or are you at the point where you'd just as gladly kill animals for food yourself? If you're not willing to look the animal in the eyes and kill it, you shouldn't be eating it. I'll go one further and say if you haven't actually butchered a cow or chicken, you shouldn't be eating that meat. (I'll say the same about pork, bison, ostrich, snake, rabbit, sheep, etc... too but those are less common) I grew up on a farm/ranch, I've looked cows in the eyes that I fed daily to fatten them up just for this purpose. I genuinely don't care about it, its a part of life. So for myself that point probably doesn't exist. You can look at it in two ways philosophically, one, which seems predominant on this forum is that any human inflicted "suffering" is wrong and should be avoided. One other view, which I think most cattle producers would think philosophically, is that you brought into the world more animals than if you didn't exist. Note, I'm just ignoring feed lots here as that isn't what I grew up around, nor does anyone I know support them. Presupposing however that only the former viewpoint regarding suffering is correct is a bit of criticism however. Additionally, if you've ever watched how most predators take down prey, humans are vastly more humane about it. I'd rather we separate out the feedlot question from the actual killing question. The former is an economic issue, the latter I think of in many ways as the Lakota did.
- burfog 9y ago
  If you haven't actually poured asphalt, you shouldn't be using that road. If you haven't actually connected a pipe to city sewage, you shouldn't be using that flush toilet. If you haven't actually nailed shingles to a roof, you shouldn't be using that roof. Oh come on. Many jobs are miserable and dangerous. I've been 20 feet away from a pig as the guts were removed, and that was more than enough odor. (the pig was full of shit) I don't have a problem with the "look the animal in the eyes" thing though. Animals are just food. I butchered a duck. That didn't smell much, but I was a bit worried about being bitten by external parasites. A cow though... if that thing falls off the crane/hoist/lift thing it'll squish you to death. This isn't some wimpy emotion thing. Squish! Oh, and probably lots of ticks, and prior to death it may kick you or gore you. Cattle are not to be messed with unless you have special training and equipment.
  - mitchty 9y ago