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You say you mean to go and then 99.99% of the time you don't. When I mean to attend a meetup, I RSVP "Yes". I presume you do too. If you can't make it, please

kordless 9y ago
Using "you" here is a bit blaming, especially given the nature of RSVP is "Reply if you please". If someone wants to RSVP for an event, that means they choose the event for themselves in their internal view. Out here, especially with social sites, RSVP is taking on another meaning entirely. Those "slots" are fictitious (just like airlines overselling seats) and assuming attendance numbers will be what something like Meetup says they are is irrational. I usually factor in a 40% attendance rate - nothing wrong with that if it's more, but it's unlikely to be 100%, unless one holds an irrational belief their event is going to net more than another. That's not to say it doesn't make planning for the event a bit more challenging, but I seriously doubt there anything anyone can do about it other than charging for the event, which may not be desirable.
- aaronchall 9y ago
  That's why I said "If". You're right, that on aggregate, groups do factor in a poor showup rate. And that adds to the cost of hosting. You risk buying too much perishable food versus running out of food and disappointing the latecomers. There are options for dealing with this: - Charge for the meetup (but then people with fewer resources can't come.) - Track no-shows, and kick them out of the group (which is a burden for the organizers and can penalize people with really good reasons for not being able to make it.) - But just saying something about it makes a difference in the showup rates (we tried it and it works). So that's what I'm doing here.
  - nulagrithom 9y ago
    If you're "kicking people out of the group" and telling people not to "RSVP" unless they're 100% committed, then I feel like you're more effectively making people disinterested in your group than you are solving your attendance estimation problem. If your group is so large that you have a waitlist, I'd be willing to bet there's a consistent statistic of RVSP vs Attendance that you could rely on. Maybe check records of your past events and see if there's much fluctuation?
    - monksy 9y ago
      You would be surprised on the amount of people who sign up for a meetup group and never attend a single meetup.
      - ghaff 9y ago
        Not the sort of meetups people are talking about here, but I'm on a bunch of lists and a number of meetup groups where I have never or only rarely attended an event.
        monksy 9y ago
        I run a social group that has about 3.6k+ people on it. We have about 200-300 active people at any given time. Most of the people who drop out of the group have 0 RSVP Yeses, and 0 RSVP Nos. We do a lot to get attendance up and to create events that people want to attend.
    - aaronchall 9y ago
      Our group was used to about a 66% showup rate, with a top end of probably about 80%. Showup rates started declining, probably due to people thinking it didn't matter if they didn't make it, and not canceling their "Yes". We started discussing the problem when we had a 40% showup with a large waitlist. We considered tracking no-shows for suspension, but before we even started that, I started mentioning the fact that we were thinking about the problem to members, and making statements on meetup pages about us looking at no-shows. We didn't have to actually change policy, but thanks to some simple communication, we got showup rates back to their average 66%. As a best practice, we should probably continue to mention it from time to time to ensure we don't get back to those kinds of lows.
- cf 9y ago
  That seems sensible. For our meetup we assumed 50% no-show, and that 10-30% would RSVP within 24 hours of the event. We only showed the location if you RSVPed just to get better estimates, but ultimately we did the math and calibrated from there.
draw_down 9y ago
What? Who said anything about RSVPing?
- dceddia 9y ago
  They didn't, but, in the off chance that when they said "I always mean to go but rarely do" they actually meant "I always RSVP to those things but I never go", I think the parent was just taking the opportunity to make a general PSA about how the etiquette works.
mancerayder 9y ago
You say you mean to go and then 99.99% of the time you don't. When I mean to attend a meetup, I RSVP "Yes". I presume you do too. If you can't make it, please be courteous and release your "yes" RSVP so that people on the waitlist can get in and so that the organizers can plan more accurately. If you aren't likely to make it in the first place, please don't RSVP "yes" for the off-chance that you feel like going - please wait until you know you are going for certain to update your RSVP. A good organizer knows this is statistical. Only a certain percentage of people show up in any given 'open' social meetup event. I've been going to these for years and the organizers tend to account for that. I'm surprised programmer-organizers wouldn't be even more keen on the statistical and probability aspect of organizing headcount.
- jaredsohn 9y ago
  Fortunately, I haven't experienced any situation where a lot more people actually show than is expected due to the 'overbooking' and then when someone essential shows up (perhaps a speaker) they have to drag someone out to make room :)
  - aaronchall 9y ago
    We have never asked people to leave, to my knowledge. We usually have businesses hosting us, so we are well below the fire-code head count limits, while still maxing out at what the business is comfortable hosting a head count at. We have had to turn people away at the door. This is very rare, and I hate to do it. (If it looks like we need to, I try to make an announcement before everyone shows up so we aren't turning away dozens of people a quarter of an hour after the start time. I have only done this a couple of times.)
    - jaredsohn 9y ago
      I've been to meetups where this happened and while it isn't ideal I've usually received a warning that I should show up early. I was talking more about telling somebody already inside that they have to leave because they were randomly selected (and using the police to force the issue if needed), similar to what recently happened with United.

kordless 9y ago

Using "you" here is a bit blaming, especially given the nature of RSVP is "Reply if you please". If someone wants to RSVP for an event, that means they choose the event for themselves in their internal view. Out here, especially with social sites, RSVP is taking on another meaning entirely. Those "slots" are fictitious (just like airlines overselling seats) and assuming attendance numbers will be what something like Meetup says they are is irrational. I usually factor in a 40% attendance rate - nothing wrong with that if it's more, but it's unlikely to be 100%, unless one holds an irrational belief their event is going to net more than another. That's not to say it doesn't make planning for the event a bit more challenging, but I seriously doubt there anything anyone can do about it other than charging for the event, which may not be desirable.

aaronchall 9y ago
That's why I said "If". You're right, that on aggregate, groups do factor in a poor showup rate. And that adds to the cost of hosting. You risk buying too much perishable food versus running out of food and disappointing the latecomers. There are options for dealing with this: - Charge for the meetup (but then people with fewer resources can't come.) - Track no-shows, and kick them out of the group (which is a burden for the organizers and can penalize people with really good reasons for not being able to make it.) - But just saying something about it makes a difference in the showup rates (we tried it and it works). So that's what I'm doing here.
- nulagrithom 9y ago
  If you're "kicking people out of the group" and telling people not to "RSVP" unless they're 100% committed, then I feel like you're more effectively making people disinterested in your group than you are solving your attendance estimation problem. If your group is so large that you have a waitlist, I'd be willing to bet there's a consistent statistic of RVSP vs Attendance that you could rely on. Maybe check records of your past events and see if there's much fluctuation?
  - monksy 9y ago
    You would be surprised on the amount of people who sign up for a meetup group and never attend a single meetup.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      Not the sort of meetups people are talking about here, but I'm on a bunch of lists and a number of meetup groups where I have never or only rarely attended an event.
      - monksy 9y ago
        I run a social group that has about 3.6k+ people on it. We have about 200-300 active people at any given time. Most of the people who drop out of the group have 0 RSVP Yeses, and 0 RSVP Nos. We do a lot to get attendance up and to create events that people want to attend.
  - aaronchall 9y ago
    Our group was used to about a 66% showup rate, with a top end of probably about 80%. Showup rates started declining, probably due to people thinking it didn't matter if they didn't make it, and not canceling their "Yes". We started discussing the problem when we had a 40% showup with a large waitlist. We considered tracking no-shows for suspension, but before we even started that, I started mentioning the fact that we were thinking about the problem to members, and making statements on meetup pages about us looking at no-shows. We didn't have to actually change policy, but thanks to some simple communication, we got showup rates back to their average 66%. As a best practice, we should probably continue to mention it from time to time to ensure we don't get back to those kinds of lows.
cf 9y ago
That seems sensible. For our meetup we assumed 50% no-show, and that 10-30% would RSVP within 24 hours of the event. We only showed the location if you RSVPed just to get better estimates, but ultimately we did the math and calibrated from there.

draw_down 9y ago

What? Who said anything about RSVPing?

dceddia 9y ago
They didn't, but, in the off chance that when they said "I always mean to go but rarely do" they actually meant "I always RSVP to those things but I never go", I think the parent was just taking the opportunity to make a general PSA about how the etiquette works.

mancerayder 9y ago

You say you mean to go and then 99.99% of the time you don't. When I mean to attend a meetup, I RSVP "Yes". I presume you do too. If you can't make it, please be courteous and release your "yes" RSVP so that people on the waitlist can get in and so that the organizers can plan more accurately. If you aren't likely to make it in the first place, please don't RSVP "yes" for the off-chance that you feel like going - please wait until you know you are going for certain to update your RSVP. A good organizer knows this is statistical. Only a certain percentage of people show up in any given 'open' social meetup event. I've been going to these for years and the organizers tend to account for that. I'm surprised programmer-organizers wouldn't be even more keen on the statistical and probability aspect of organizing headcount.

jaredsohn 9y ago
Fortunately, I haven't experienced any situation where a lot more people actually show than is expected due to the 'overbooking' and then when someone essential shows up (perhaps a speaker) they have to drag someone out to make room :)
- aaronchall 9y ago
  We have never asked people to leave, to my knowledge. We usually have businesses hosting us, so we are well below the fire-code head count limits, while still maxing out at what the business is comfortable hosting a head count at. We have had to turn people away at the door. This is very rare, and I hate to do it. (If it looks like we need to, I try to make an announcement before everyone shows up so we aren't turning away dozens of people a quarter of an hour after the start time. I have only done this a couple of times.)
  - jaredsohn 9y ago
    I've been to meetups where this happened and while it isn't ideal I've usually received a warning that I should show up early. I was talking more about telling somebody already inside that they have to leave because they were randomly selected (and using the police to force the issue if needed), similar to what recently happened with United.