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I hear you. You even see people openly embracing Enoch Powell's ideas again. Brexit and Trump removed the taboo on fascism and those long time closeted fascist

I hear you. You even see people openly embracing Enoch Powell's ideas again. Brexit and Trump removed the taboo on fascism and those long time closeted fascists are now very openly pushing their propaganda. The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values.

sir_throwaway 9y ago
As a Tory and a Brexit voter, let me reassure you that I (and my Brexit voting friends) are not closeted fascists. The idea is quite offensive, actually. :)
- urbanj 9y ago
  Sorry that it hurts, but you are, really.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  As a student of history, let me point out that the point of being a "closeted fascist" is to not admit one's fascist tendencies in public.
- NetStrikeForce 9y ago
  I'm not sure if my English is good enough, but that's not what I said. I said that Brexit and Trump removed the taboo about fascism and fascists are raising their voices. Why would you think I called Brexit, Tories or Trump voters fascists? It would be over-simplifying demographics and politics.
- NetStrikeForce 9y ago
  Second reply to the same comment, because I was curious as to why would you create a throwaway for this debate... And turns out your other comments are 2 oversimplifying The Guarding and The Independent editorial line / quality and the other two are misleading or a straight lie. That makes me wonder if you really misunderstood my comment here or are you stirring the pot on purpose? That would explain the need to create a throwaway.
ue_ 9y ago
>The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values. Which values are those? Unfortunately, I would argue that England has never had values I'd agree with. What about values of privacy and civil liberties? You can't even have certain drawings (yes, even their possession is illegal) and ISP have to keep your Internet usage for a year. Bourgeois democracy cannot protect the values of the people.
- NetStrikeForce 9y ago
  Privacy, freedom, protection from the tyranny of the majority, equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism, ecologism (firefox says this is not a word?)... Those are the ones I care about and I think are at danger.
  - ue_ 9y ago
    Democracy is "tyranny of the majority" no matter which way you look at it (I'm still in favour of it though). And I think equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism and focus on ecology would be much better served without capitalism. Why didn't you include the right to privacy and freedom of expression too?
    - NetStrikeForce 9y ago
      Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority. Direct democracy might be, but that's a very narrow view of democracy. > Why didn't you include the right to privacy and freedom of expression too? Privacy is literally the first one on my list :) Freedom of speech (freedom of expression seems a literal translation from Spanish "libertad de expresión" which is "freedom of speech") I agree. I just forgot about it :) I could add others like separation of powers that I also forgot (and they're under attack if you follow UK politics).

sir_throwaway 9y ago

As a Tory and a Brexit voter, let me reassure you that I (and my Brexit voting friends) are not closeted fascists. The idea is quite offensive, actually. :)

urbanj 9y ago
Sorry that it hurts, but you are, really.
ceejayoz 9y ago
As a student of history, let me point out that the point of being a "closeted fascist" is to not admit one's fascist tendencies in public.
NetStrikeForce 9y ago
I'm not sure if my English is good enough, but that's not what I said. I said that Brexit and Trump removed the taboo about fascism and fascists are raising their voices. Why would you think I called Brexit, Tories or Trump voters fascists? It would be over-simplifying demographics and politics.
NetStrikeForce 9y ago
Second reply to the same comment, because I was curious as to why would you create a throwaway for this debate... And turns out your other comments are 2 oversimplifying The Guarding and The Independent editorial line / quality and the other two are misleading or a straight lie. That makes me wonder if you really misunderstood my comment here or are you stirring the pot on purpose? That would explain the need to create a throwaway.

ue_ 9y ago

>The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values. Which values are those? Unfortunately, I would argue that England has never had values I'd agree with. What about values of privacy and civil liberties? You can't even have certain drawings (yes, even their possession is illegal) and ISP have to keep your Internet usage for a year. Bourgeois democracy cannot protect the values of the people.

NetStrikeForce 9y ago
Privacy, freedom, protection from the tyranny of the majority, equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism, ecologism (firefox says this is not a word?)... Those are the ones I care about and I think are at danger.
- ue_ 9y ago
  Democracy is "tyranny of the majority" no matter which way you look at it (I'm still in favour of it though). And I think equality, fraternity, respect for minorities, socialised and universal healthcare, feminism and focus on ecology would be much better served without capitalism. Why didn't you include the right to privacy and freedom of expression too?
  - NetStrikeForce 9y ago
    Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority. Direct democracy might be, but that's a very narrow view of democracy. > Why didn't you include the right to privacy and freedom of expression too? Privacy is literally the first one on my list :) Freedom of speech (freedom of expression seems a literal translation from Spanish "libertad de expresión" which is "freedom of speech") I agree. I just forgot about it :) I could add others like separation of powers that I also forgot (and they're under attack if you follow UK politics).