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A lot of "programmers/web developers" on this visa are scammers looking for a quick way to gain permanent residency (apparently it's a lot easier for a random p
by cynix 10y ago
A lot of "programmers/web developers" on this visa are scammers looking for a quick way to gain permanent residency (apparently it's a lot easier for a random person to claim they're a programmer than other professions that require actual skill). There's a whole industry of businesses providing "employment" to these people for a fee. I think the idea is to replace this visa with one that has more stringent skill/language requirements to weed out these scammers.
- joshka 10y agoIt's easy to suggest this type of fraud and assume it's true based on merit. Do you have any proof of the above statements or is this speculation?
- empressplay 10y agoI personally discovered a hair salon that was advertising for a "full time web developer" to manage their website (lol) with the plan to then use that (unfilled, obviously, given the extremely weak salary they were offering) position to bring in a "web developer" hairdresser on a 457. The system is seriously abused. EDIT: I guess the truth hurts?
- ripuarian 10y agoNo need for hair salon jobs in the future. We will automate that job away. It will not be possible to hire ANYBODY AT ALL for a hair salon. We are taking care of this. One more job destroyed = one more billion in my pocket.
- viraptor 10y agoI'd like to hear how it actually went for them. Here's why I think the story, or a successful (fraudulent) outcome is unlikely: The visas cost quite a lot - in application costs, time to collect documents, cost of tests, etc. And I mean likely a full month or more of a hairdresser salary kind of cost. On top of that you'd need to provide a documentation of both a degree and relevant work experience for the last 10 years just to check if you qualify. Then you get the history and references checked, so that needs to pass as well. For the company organising such fraud, it would likely be a lot less hassle to take a local person and teach them 1-to-1, full time for a month. And considering you may end up sponsoring someone without skills to come and work for you essentially illegally - what's the point? Also for the person seeking that position: if you're found out, you'll likely never get a proper visa. That a big risk to take.
- moomin 10y agoOkay, how about petroleum engineer? Lot of hair dressing salons advertising for those?
- richev 10y agoI can't comment on the 457 requirements specifically, but I was granted a Skilled Independent visa (subclass 189) last year, as a "Developer Programmer". In lieu of a degree that would be considered at least a major in Computer Science I had to supply detailed references going back ten years. Certainly not easy.
- ripuarian 10y agoThe real skill is the skill to destroy other people's jobs. The only ones who can do that, are programmers. All these "other professions" only stay alive by mercy of us not having enough time to destroy their job. This afternoon, I will finally have more time. Then, I will fire up my other laptop and destroy one more job. All of you will be replaced by my software, and you will be unemployed henceforth.
- kakarot 10y agoWhether intentional or not, you imply that programming does not involve an "actual" skillset and that is quite a bold claim to make on Hacker News.