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As an Indian, it bothers me how sensitive, insecure, and thin skinned India is as a country. Every time someone makes a comment on something controversial, or m

As an Indian, it bothers me how sensitive, insecure, and thin skinned India is as a country. Every time someone makes a comment on something controversial, or makes a joke on India millions of armchair warriors will get their pride hurt and be up in arms boycotting and protesting it on facebook, reddit, etc. (sometimes there are real life protests too). It's so silly really. On the contrary, countries like the US, Australia, etc. are far more tolerant of public remarks like this. Had Evan said that the French are too stupid to use Snapchat (for example), no one would have even batted an eye.

knolax 9y ago
Honestly as an outsider I feel that India is in a position where it speaks the same language as the west(English) but is still mocked inside of the English speaking sphere as an outsider would be. If you can go on Reddit you can tell how much people jump at the opportunity to insult India whenever it's mentioned. This happens with a lot of other countries but India is the only English speaking one can notice.
- wsxcde 9y ago
  You and the GP are both right. We're terribly insecure, but that is in part fuelled by how much we get looked down upon. The Indian reaction to mockery and racism during the British era was pumping up nationalism and self-pride. That was a justified reaction to a truly evil empire, but unfortunately, that culture has not evolved after independence.
shouldbworking 9y ago
You are probably right. In the same sentence as India he also mentioned Spain but nobody there seems to care. I know nothing about Indian and Spanish culture so I can't speculate on the reason.
- anodin3 9y ago
  I am not sure but I don't believe Snapchat is widely used in Spain.
- legolas2412 9y ago
  Snapchat is down to 1 star in spain too. Apparently, they care.
  - clock_tower 9y ago
    When I first heard about this story, I thought that "poor countries like Spain" was the funniest thing I'd heard all week. (If you think Spain's poor, I hope you never witness the heartbreaking poverty of Taiwan and South Korea, its rough peers by GDP-per-capita.) But I can certainly see how it was a lot less funny in Spain itself...
    - darpa_escapee 9y ago
      > "poor countries like Spain" was the funniest thing I'd heard all week. I take it you aren't familiar with the term PIGS[1]. "Poor countries like Spain" is a common sentiment in Europe. > PIGS or PIIGS or PIIGGS is an acronym used in economics and finance. The PIGS acronym originally refers, often derogatorily, to the economies of the Southern European countries of Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain.[1][2][3][4][5] During the European debt crisis, the term was also increasingly used to refer to the economies of Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain, four EU member states that were unable to refinance their government debt or to bail out over-indebted banks on their own during the crisis [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)
      - clock_tower 9y ago
        Do you seriously think that anyone on this website doesn't know the term PIGS? Do you think that I wasn't alive four years ago? And the PIGS weren't the poorest countries in Europe; they were the most over-leveraged. Spain is much better-off than Bulgaria and Romania -- and certainly much better-off than a genuinely poor country.
        darpa_escapee 9y ago
        > Do you seriously think that anyone on this website doesn't know the term PIGS? Do you think that I wasn't alive four years ago? If you'd like to explain why you took offense to my comment, please do. I'd like to foster discussion where people do not take personal offense to my words on a message board when I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'd legitimately appreciate any feedback you have. > And the PIGS weren't the poorest countries in Europe; I'm not talking about objective reality, but about popular public perception.
virtuabhi 9y ago
Even in US people get pumped up and start boycotting at any issue. Recently, I have seen Boycott Target (transgender bathrooms?), Boycott Starbucks (hiring refugess?), Boycott Lowe Hardware (abortions?), Boycott some fast food chain (CEO said he opposes same-sex marriage?), and many more ... Obviously, its always only a vocal minority which participates in #Boycott, but same is the case in India too! On the other hand, "as an Indian" you should not be so much affected by this #Protest. Please remember that India is a vast country and no single group represents can represent all of India. And this action is quite trivial (and non-violent!) and 0% (after rounding off) of the population participated in it.
- frozenport 9y ago
  I live in the US and haven't heard of any of these, with the exception of Chick-fil-A.
  - charia 9y ago
    I guess either you place yourself in amongst company or in an area that is not significantly politically active.
    - jmgrosen 9y ago
      I'm in highly politically active company (college) in a highly politically active area (Cambridge), and I've also only heard of the Chick-fil-A boycott. I don't use Facebook, though, so if people have only been spreading it over traditional social media and not word-of-mouth, I may not have heard of them.
      - acheron 9y ago
        Three of his examples were "socially conservative" boycotts, and one was a "socially progressive" boycott. So it's not all that surprising that you only heard of one (guess which) while going to college in Cambridge.
  - hkmurakami 9y ago
ashwinaj 9y ago
This is true for most countries and not isolated to India. The whole thing gets exemplified because of the population.
JohnJamesRambo 9y ago
I think their anger is very justified. And honestly they aren't missing out on much by boycotting Snapchat. There are lots of other ways to send nudes now.
- pthreads 9y ago
  Ha ha. It is true there are a lot of ways to send nudes now. But it is nothing new. In ancient times they used to send it by literally carving intricate statues. People in that region of the globe were way ahead of the times.
meagher 9y ago
We live in an age of "looking to be offended." (That said people say unnecessary things when they should just follow the golden rule.)
ganfortran 9y ago
I don't think so. In my recent memory, people boycott StarBucks because of its CEO's words on hiring refugees. They also went on to boycott Ivanka Trump's product, because a Trump is a Trump. Outrage culture is the norm in social media era. U.S is a big market, I think very few companies is dare to insult it on a national scale. And US is rich, such idiotic remark is just going to be ignored for it is simply not true. But it doesn't mean if something sensitive is touched, there wouldn't be a backlash, such as race. I think poverty is still a big issue in India, and people are sensitive to be looked down because of that. So it comes the outrage.
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sidmitra 9y ago
I think there's also some selective bias. The people ranting and raving on twitter, i'd imagine they're the vocal minority(of an even more minority of people on social media). I also think a lot of people are just trolling, or just joining in the fun without actually believing in the cause. So i don't think there's anything to be bothered about. I think billions of Indians are just going about there business and not shouting out on twitter. Of-course there are other serious social problems/believes that bother me more. But only a few of them are ever discussed on social media.
sidmitra 9y ago
I think there's also some selective bias. The people ranting and raving on twitter, i'd imagine they're the vocal minority(of an even more minority of people on social media). I also think a lot of people are just trolling, or just joining in the fun without actually believing in the cause. So i don't think there's anything to be bothered about. I think billions of Indians are just going about there business and not shouting out on twitter. Of-course there are other serious social problems/believes that bother me more. But only a few of them are ever discussed on social media.
shubhamjain 9y ago
There is an inclination to get offended at the slight hint but I don't think this incident is a good example of that. Unintentionally or otherwise, the media packaged the news to create maximum outrage, even though, the actual facts might have been thin—a fired employee claiming that CEO said so. Few start a campaign to boycott an app and everyone else joins in. How is it any different from #boycottuber campaign after they removed surge pricing during driver strike? We have natural expectation that people would stop to learn the facts and make a smart choice but that's not how it works. Social media triggers a strong impulsive response and people react by doing whatever they've been asked. I do agree that what aggravates this is irrational feeling of nationalism and defending country's pride among our folks.
darpa_escapee 9y ago
I think it's a great example of the market working. These people are willing to change their behavior and put their proverbial and literal money where their mouth is. If more people were willing to do this, "vote with your dollars" would transform from an ideal that might work in theory to a vehicle of effectual influence on the market.

knolax 9y ago

Honestly as an outsider I feel that India is in a position where it speaks the same language as the west(English) but is still mocked inside of the English speaking sphere as an outsider would be. If you can go on Reddit you can tell how much people jump at the opportunity to insult India whenever it's mentioned. This happens with a lot of other countries but India is the only English speaking one can notice.

wsxcde 9y ago
You and the GP are both right. We're terribly insecure, but that is in part fuelled by how much we get looked down upon. The Indian reaction to mockery and racism during the British era was pumping up nationalism and self-pride. That was a justified reaction to a truly evil empire, but unfortunately, that culture has not evolved after independence.

shouldbworking 9y ago

You are probably right. In the same sentence as India he also mentioned Spain but nobody there seems to care. I know nothing about Indian and Spanish culture so I can't speculate on the reason.

anodin3 9y ago
I am not sure but I don't believe Snapchat is widely used in Spain.
legolas2412 9y ago
Snapchat is down to 1 star in spain too. Apparently, they care.
- clock_tower 9y ago
  When I first heard about this story, I thought that "poor countries like Spain" was the funniest thing I'd heard all week. (If you think Spain's poor, I hope you never witness the heartbreaking poverty of Taiwan and South Korea, its rough peers by GDP-per-capita.) But I can certainly see how it was a lot less funny in Spain itself...
  - darpa_escapee 9y ago
    > "poor countries like Spain" was the funniest thing I'd heard all week. I take it you aren't familiar with the term PIGS[1]. "Poor countries like Spain" is a common sentiment in Europe. > PIGS or PIIGS or PIIGGS is an acronym used in economics and finance. The PIGS acronym originally refers, often derogatorily, to the economies of the Southern European countries of Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain.[1][2][3][4][5] During the European debt crisis, the term was also increasingly used to refer to the economies of Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain, four EU member states that were unable to refinance their government debt or to bail out over-indebted banks on their own during the crisis [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)
    - clock_tower 9y ago
      Do you seriously think that anyone on this website doesn't know the term PIGS? Do you think that I wasn't alive four years ago? And the PIGS weren't the poorest countries in Europe; they were the most over-leveraged. Spain is much better-off than Bulgaria and Romania -- and certainly much better-off than a genuinely poor country.
      - darpa_escapee 9y ago
        > Do you seriously think that anyone on this website doesn't know the term PIGS? Do you think that I wasn't alive four years ago? If you'd like to explain why you took offense to my comment, please do. I'd like to foster discussion where people do not take personal offense to my words on a message board when I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'd legitimately appreciate any feedback you have. > And the PIGS weren't the poorest countries in Europe; I'm not talking about objective reality, but about popular public perception.

virtuabhi 9y ago

Even in US people get pumped up and start boycotting at any issue. Recently, I have seen Boycott Target (transgender bathrooms?), Boycott Starbucks (hiring refugess?), Boycott Lowe Hardware (abortions?), Boycott some fast food chain (CEO said he opposes same-sex marriage?), and many more ... Obviously, its always only a vocal minority which participates in #Boycott, but same is the case in India too! On the other hand, "as an Indian" you should not be so much affected by this #Protest. Please remember that India is a vast country and no single group represents can represent all of India. And this action is quite trivial (and non-violent!) and 0% (after rounding off) of the population participated in it.

frozenport 9y ago
I live in the US and haven't heard of any of these, with the exception of Chick-fil-A.
- charia 9y ago
  I guess either you place yourself in amongst company or in an area that is not significantly politically active.
  - jmgrosen 9y ago
    I'm in highly politically active company (college) in a highly politically active area (Cambridge), and I've also only heard of the Chick-fil-A boycott. I don't use Facebook, though, so if people have only been spreading it over traditional social media and not word-of-mouth, I may not have heard of them.
    - acheron 9y ago
      Three of his examples were "socially conservative" boycotts, and one was a "socially progressive" boycott. So it's not all that surprising that you only heard of one (guess which) while going to college in Cambridge.
- hkmurakami 9y ago

ashwinaj 9y ago

This is true for most countries and not isolated to India. The whole thing gets exemplified because of the population.

JohnJamesRambo 9y ago

I think their anger is very justified. And honestly they aren't missing out on much by boycotting Snapchat. There are lots of other ways to send nudes now.

pthreads 9y ago
Ha ha. It is true there are a lot of ways to send nudes now. But it is nothing new. In ancient times they used to send it by literally carving intricate statues. People in that region of the globe were way ahead of the times.

meagher 9y ago

We live in an age of "looking to be offended." (That said people say unnecessary things when they should just follow the golden rule.)

ganfortran 9y ago

I don't think so. In my recent memory, people boycott StarBucks because of its CEO's words on hiring refugees. They also went on to boycott Ivanka Trump's product, because a Trump is a Trump. Outrage culture is the norm in social media era. U.S is a big market, I think very few companies is dare to insult it on a national scale. And US is rich, such idiotic remark is just going to be ignored for it is simply not true. But it doesn't mean if something sensitive is touched, there wouldn't be a backlash, such as race. I think poverty is still a big issue in India, and people are sensitive to be looked down because of that. So it comes the outrage.

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sidmitra 9y ago

I think there's also some selective bias. The people ranting and raving on twitter, i'd imagine they're the vocal minority(of an even more minority of people on social media). I also think a lot of people are just trolling, or just joining in the fun without actually believing in the cause. So i don't think there's anything to be bothered about. I think billions of Indians are just going about there business and not shouting out on twitter. Of-course there are other serious social problems/believes that bother me more. But only a few of them are ever discussed on social media.

sidmitra 9y ago

shubhamjain 9y ago

There is an inclination to get offended at the slight hint but I don't think this incident is a good example of that. Unintentionally or otherwise, the media packaged the news to create maximum outrage, even though, the actual facts might have been thin—a fired employee claiming that CEO said so. Few start a campaign to boycott an app and everyone else joins in. How is it any different from #boycottuber campaign after they removed surge pricing during driver strike? We have natural expectation that people would stop to learn the facts and make a smart choice but that's not how it works. Social media triggers a strong impulsive response and people react by doing whatever they've been asked. I do agree that what aggravates this is irrational feeling of nationalism and defending country's pride among our folks.

darpa_escapee 9y ago

I think it's a great example of the market working. These people are willing to change their behavior and put their proverbial and literal money where their mouth is. If more people were willing to do this, "vote with your dollars" would transform from an ideal that might work in theory to a vehicle of effectual influence on the market.