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I find it odd I had to restart after upgrading a browser in OSX, reminds me of that old time. In Windows the upgrade went without a restart. Edit: Yes, talking

by iaskwhy 16y ago

I find it odd I had to restart after upgrading a browser in OSX, reminds me of that old time. In Windows the upgrade went without a restart. Edit: Yes, talking about Safari only.

mahmud 16y ago
In what Windows did the upgrading go without a restart? Firefox, maybe. But upgrading the MS COM component responsible for drawing shadows on a drop down menu in some obscure MS library for accessing DAO databases ALWAYS requires a restart. I uninstalled ZoneAlarm a few days ago and clicked "OK" as I went through the motions .. great, now the machine is rebooting and I lost whatever the fuck I was doing. Compare that to Linux where I was developing custom file system drivers. modprobe foo, and I had a foo driver looking at an intricate piece of chipod, rmmod and it's gone .. Wax poetic all you want about OS stability, but Windows is the wrong muse to sing to wrt stability, and I say that typing on XP.
- MWinther 16y ago
  I assume the comment referred to Safari 5 for Windows.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    The original comment was referring to Safari 5 on Mac. Safari 5 on windows does not require a restart.
    - iaskwhy 16y ago
      I can't edit my first comment again but I was talking about updating Safari in both operating systems. In OSX you are required to restart, in Windows you don't need to.
- cubicle67 16y ago
  Upgraded Safari on an XP machine this morning, from 4 to 5, and no restart was required. Also noticed that Apple have made the 'Install iTunes and friends' option opt-in now, which is nice
upinsmoke 16y ago
You are not only upgrading Safari. You are upgrading Webkit as well! And it is used in many other apps, like iTunes. Webkit is very much integrated into OS X. That's why it needs to restart.
- m_eiman 16y ago
  It shouldn't be very to hard to generate a list of running apps that link against the updated libs and ask the user for permission to restart them... Or let the user ignore it at own peril.
  - ptomato 16y ago
    Almost everything is (potentially) linked against WebKit (At least judging by how broken my system when a rogue rogue flash plugin broke webkit.). Certainly Finder, for example. It could just get away with enforcing log off/log on again, but if multiple users are logged in it is probably simpler just to restart. "Ignoring at their own peril" will almost certainly result in horrible crashes.
    - Khaki 16y ago
      Ah, that brings back nice memories of IE and Windows.
    - jgranby 16y ago
      Sparkle (the update framework) uses WebKit, so everything that uses Sparkle links against it.
    - m_eiman 16y ago
      Why would there be crashes? The running apps will keep their already loaded binary until they're restarted. Maybe there'll be some bugs in handling shared on-disk resources (cache, and maybe something else?), but I doubt that those parts change very often. That would be a reasonable reason to require a reboot, but unless those parts actually change it should be avoided.

by iaskwhy 16y ago

I find it odd I had to restart after upgrading a browser in OSX, reminds me of that old time. In Windows the upgrade went without a restart. Edit: Yes, talking about Safari only.

mahmud 16y ago

In what Windows did the upgrading go without a restart? Firefox, maybe. But upgrading the MS COM component responsible for drawing shadows on a drop down menu in some obscure MS library for accessing DAO databases ALWAYS requires a restart. I uninstalled ZoneAlarm a few days ago and clicked "OK" as I went through the motions .. great, now the machine is rebooting and I lost whatever the fuck I was doing. Compare that to Linux where I was developing custom file system drivers. modprobe foo, and I had a foo driver looking at an intricate piece of chipod, rmmod and it's gone .. Wax poetic all you want about OS stability, but Windows is the wrong muse to sing to wrt stability, and I say that typing on XP.

MWinther 16y ago
I assume the comment referred to Safari 5 for Windows.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  The original comment was referring to Safari 5 on Mac. Safari 5 on windows does not require a restart.
  - iaskwhy 16y ago
    I can't edit my first comment again but I was talking about updating Safari in both operating systems. In OSX you are required to restart, in Windows you don't need to.
cubicle67 16y ago
Upgraded Safari on an XP machine this morning, from 4 to 5, and no restart was required. Also noticed that Apple have made the 'Install iTunes and friends' option opt-in now, which is nice

upinsmoke 16y ago

You are not only upgrading Safari. You are upgrading Webkit as well! And it is used in many other apps, like iTunes. Webkit is very much integrated into OS X. That's why it needs to restart.

m_eiman 16y ago
It shouldn't be very to hard to generate a list of running apps that link against the updated libs and ask the user for permission to restart them... Or let the user ignore it at own peril.
- ptomato 16y ago
  Almost everything is (potentially) linked against WebKit (At least judging by how broken my system when a rogue rogue flash plugin broke webkit.). Certainly Finder, for example. It could just get away with enforcing log off/log on again, but if multiple users are logged in it is probably simpler just to restart. "Ignoring at their own peril" will almost certainly result in horrible crashes.
  - Khaki 16y ago
    Ah, that brings back nice memories of IE and Windows.
  - jgranby 16y ago
    Sparkle (the update framework) uses WebKit, so everything that uses Sparkle links against it.
  - m_eiman 16y ago
    Why would there be crashes? The running apps will keep their already loaded binary until they're restarted. Maybe there'll be some bugs in handling shared on-disk resources (cache, and maybe something else?), but I doubt that those parts change very often. That would be a reasonable reason to require a reboot, but unless those parts actually change it should be avoided.