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Sincerely, as an European this makes me uneasy. Not because of Erdogan or Turkey itself, that's not what takes my sleep. But for knowing that the spiral into ma
by jbmorgado 10y ago
Sincerely, as an European this makes me uneasy. Not because of Erdogan or Turkey itself, that's not what takes my sleep. But for knowing that the spiral into madness in Turkey now seems unstoppable and in 5/10/15 years it will blow up and, yet again, Europe will be called to take care of their problems and, yet again, be blamed for not doing enough.
Once again we will have to open our borders to this good people running away from a war and once again we will have to pretend that the majority of them didn't actually choose this way of life by supporting some dictator/ideology whose main ideologic pillars are xenophoby against people that don't follow their religion their way (Kurds) and a return to islamism in some form of Sharia.
- erikb 10y agoSome part of your thinking should consider how much both Syria and the current development in Turkey results from EU actions. I wouldn't spend all my time pointing fingers at others, but also spend some time thinking what we've done and could've done differently.
- jbmorgado 10y agoPeople like you gravely mix two very different concepts: not giving even more help to someone with being at fault for that someone's problems. We can/should help those in need and in fact we do help those in need, but don't put the blame on us for those people grave conditions in the first place.
- erikb 10y agoWe have actually part in creating the Syrian war, and we are also one of the sources of why Turkey makes this political swing now. For instance we should have known that if we don't consider Turkey as a partner, that they will at some point say "x you" and look for support from others. We could've also considered how we can take care of the refugees instead of dropping them on weaker governments. And we could have also considered how to treat Greece like a part of our community instead of sucking them more and more dry, which leaves all other fringe EU countries wondering how they will be treated if they ever get weaker.
- jbmorgado 10y agoOh, so it's our fault that we asked for decades (while putting a lot of money there in EU lost funds) that: - Turkey brought their legal institutions to the modern times - that Turkey showed more respect for democratic and humanistic principles - that Turkey respected more the civil rights of their citizens - that Turkey respected their ethnic minorities (like the Kurds) - Turkey recognized a member of the EU as an actual country (Cyprus). And then, after Turkey failed yet, and yet again to address all those problems and we told them patiently yet again, that they needed to address those problems and they still didn't, they decided they are not going to really try and reverted the little work they had done. And you come and blame the EU for wanting Turkey to become a country that actually respects the right of its own citizens. How could we be so heartless, right?
- erikb 9y ago> Oh, so it's our fault Yes. You still haven't managed to think about what's our fault and why yet, though.
- tobltobs 10y agoWhat about Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. If they are not offered the unconditional membership the EU will be responsible for all bad things which will happen there?
- _nedR 10y agoEurope and America caused this problem. Europe and America invaded iraq. Europe killed Gaddafi and then abandoned Libya to the vacuum. On Syria, i guess Europe and america and share blame with their middle eastern allies. But again Europe was willing and eager participant. Its called blowback. You reap what you sow.