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So just because Turks opted for an "Islamist" government, Western media have been mourning for hours. Had it been someone like Sissy then everyone was going to

by pknerd 10y ago

So just because Turks opted for an "Islamist" government, Western media have been mourning for hours. Had it been someone like Sissy then everyone was going to praise about it. I can laugh at the hypocrisy of Western media and it's support to.. Democracy. PS: Thanks for down vote, I can understand this unexpected results are not making many happy, that's OK. I was not happy when Trump became President but then I respect the choice of voters :-)

trendia 10y ago
You say they're hypocritical but you're using a hypothetical (el-Sisi). Maybe if you want to say the Western media is hypocritical, you should use an example of a non-Muslim dictator being praised. Besides, even if Erdogan had been Christian, the end result would be the same: he now has fewer controls on his power, fewer people he needs to make happy to stay in power, and more ways to entrench himself in the Turkis government.
- pknerd 10y ago
  All I know that Erdogan is way better than a _genius_ Americans elected for their country :-)
  - halfdan 10y ago
    That does not legitimise anything you said or anything Erdogan is doing.
    - pknerd 10y ago
      What all he is doing, one can like or dislike but Turks are supporting him. Why irrelevant people are worried? Americans selected Trump, I definitely did not like it but then I respect their choice. You should do the same.
  - toxican 10y ago
    I'll take a dangerous idiot over a dangerous genius any day, thank you. At least we're done with Trump in 4 years (or sooner)
    - pknerd 10y ago
      >At least we're done with Trump in 4 years (or sooner) Hahah, keep dreaming, he is here for 8 years :-)
      - toxican 10y ago
        I seriously doubt that. It's not going to take 8 years for this Russia shit to hit the fan and him get impeached. I'd be surprised if it took 4, tbh. And I certainly don't see him winning reelection with the abysmally low approval ratings and failure to deliver on even the most simple of campaign promises.
- pknerd 10y ago
  "you should use an example of a non-Muslim dictator being praised." Dictator and terrorist are the terms that are relative, everyone use for his own sake.
- pknerd 10y ago
  And BTW, Ataturk was a dictator too, the only difference is that he was a secular :)
rjtavares 10y ago
Hasn't "Western media" been hyper critical of nationalist figures like Erdogan in the "Christian World" (e.g.: Trump, Le Pen)? I honestly don't see the hypocrisy, seems pretty consistent to me.
- trendia 10y ago
  Moreover, pknerd asserts that the Western media would support el-Sisi for acting in a way similar to Erdogan. I disagree with that analogy, but nevertheless the NYT absolutely criticizes el-Sisi! [0] "Enabling Egypt's President Sisi, an Enemy of Human Rights" "The U.S. Should Not Be Egypt's Accomplice " "Trump Shifts Course on Egypt, Praising Its Authoritarian Leader" "Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the defense minister and commander in chief of the armed forces, seized power in July 2013 and outlawed protests." "Egypt's Ricketty Dictatorship" [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+times+el+sisi https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+times+el+sisi
hartator 10y ago
Democracy is not the uncondional rulling of the majority opinion. Democracy must come with freedom of speech, fair trials and basic freedoms.
- pknerd 10y ago
  >Democracy must come with freedom of speech, fair trials and basic freedoms Yet to find such country. We re not talking about bookish knowledge. World witnessed what's been happening with Blacks in US and Muslims in India.
  - pkd 10y ago
    > Yet to find such country. We re not talking about bookish knowledge. World witnessed what's been happening with Blacks in US and Muslims in India. You know about these events because something resembling an independent and strong media exists in both of those countries. The lack of which is also the reason you hardly ever hear about the persecution of non-Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Erdogan has already cleansed the media off his opponents. That pillar of democracy is already down.
    - pknerd 10y ago
      WMD propaganda done by Independent media in an democratic country. I don't buy the concept of "Free" media at all.
pluma 10y ago
German here. I couldn't care less what religion Erdogan claims to represent. I'm not concerned because of Islam. I'm concerned because I'm literally witnessing a repeat of events that have been burned into my memory since elementary school.

by pknerd 10y ago

trendia 10y ago

You say they're hypocritical but you're using a hypothetical (el-Sisi). Maybe if you want to say the Western media is hypocritical, you should use an example of a non-Muslim dictator being praised. Besides, even if Erdogan had been Christian, the end result would be the same: he now has fewer controls on his power, fewer people he needs to make happy to stay in power, and more ways to entrench himself in the Turkis government.

pknerd 10y ago
All I know that Erdogan is way better than a _genius_ Americans elected for their country :-)
- halfdan 10y ago
  That does not legitimise anything you said or anything Erdogan is doing.
  - pknerd 10y ago
    What all he is doing, one can like or dislike but Turks are supporting him. Why irrelevant people are worried? Americans selected Trump, I definitely did not like it but then I respect their choice. You should do the same.
- toxican 10y ago
  I'll take a dangerous idiot over a dangerous genius any day, thank you. At least we're done with Trump in 4 years (or sooner)
  - pknerd 10y ago
    >At least we're done with Trump in 4 years (or sooner) Hahah, keep dreaming, he is here for 8 years :-)
    - toxican 10y ago
      I seriously doubt that. It's not going to take 8 years for this Russia shit to hit the fan and him get impeached. I'd be surprised if it took 4, tbh. And I certainly don't see him winning reelection with the abysmally low approval ratings and failure to deliver on even the most simple of campaign promises.
pknerd 10y ago
"you should use an example of a non-Muslim dictator being praised." Dictator and terrorist are the terms that are relative, everyone use for his own sake.
pknerd 10y ago
And BTW, Ataturk was a dictator too, the only difference is that he was a secular :)

rjtavares 10y ago

Hasn't "Western media" been hyper critical of nationalist figures like Erdogan in the "Christian World" (e.g.: Trump, Le Pen)? I honestly don't see the hypocrisy, seems pretty consistent to me.

trendia 10y ago
Moreover, pknerd asserts that the Western media would support el-Sisi for acting in a way similar to Erdogan. I disagree with that analogy, but nevertheless the NYT absolutely criticizes el-Sisi! [0] "Enabling Egypt's President Sisi, an Enemy of Human Rights" "The U.S. Should Not Be Egypt's Accomplice " "Trump Shifts Course on Egypt, Praising Its Authoritarian Leader" "Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the defense minister and commander in chief of the armed forces, seized power in July 2013 and outlawed protests." "Egypt's Ricketty Dictatorship" [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+times+el+sisi https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+times+el+sisi

hartator 10y ago

Democracy is not the uncondional rulling of the majority opinion. Democracy must come with freedom of speech, fair trials and basic freedoms.

pknerd 10y ago
>Democracy must come with freedom of speech, fair trials and basic freedoms Yet to find such country. We re not talking about bookish knowledge. World witnessed what's been happening with Blacks in US and Muslims in India.
- pkd 10y ago
  > Yet to find such country. We re not talking about bookish knowledge. World witnessed what's been happening with Blacks in US and Muslims in India. You know about these events because something resembling an independent and strong media exists in both of those countries. The lack of which is also the reason you hardly ever hear about the persecution of non-Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Erdogan has already cleansed the media off his opponents. That pillar of democracy is already down.
  - pknerd 10y ago
    WMD propaganda done by Independent media in an democratic country. I don't buy the concept of "Free" media at all.

pluma 10y ago

German here. I couldn't care less what religion Erdogan claims to represent. I'm not concerned because of Islam. I'm concerned because I'm literally witnessing a repeat of events that have been burned into my memory since elementary school.