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Looking at 1930s Germany, the fortunate ones were the ones who got out early. Stopping the political pendulum is hard; it's easier to get out of the way.

by tormeh 10y ago

kmonsen 10y ago
But where to go?
- kowdermeister 10y ago
  If you can work remotely, I'd pick something nice and sunny with a beach.
  - sz4kerto 10y ago
    I can work remotely, but I can't bring my friends and family with me, and I can't bring all the other things. So I rather try and make 'this' a better place, if possible.
    - kowdermeister 10y ago
      That's great, luckily it doesn't seem that Hungary will collapse to something Turkey is becoming now. Have you been to Okotogon or other protests? I have and it was really inspiring to see that many young faces around. I Support all efforts of making Fidesz the least appealing party. That's probably all we can do if violence is not considered.
      - sz4kerto 10y ago
        Of course I've been :)
      - egeozcan 10y ago
        Well, do you know about Gezi protests? We also had that kind of inspiration. Just saying.
- virmundi 10y ago
  Florida. Sunny, has many beaches. Broadband even in small towns like Palatka. Low cost of living. A good balance of all kinds of crazy. You can even own guns, a big truck and more guns while living on a large river if you so choose all on a salary of about 60k. Then you're just a half hour away from nice size cities.
  - masklinn 10y ago
    Florida seems like an absolutely terrible place to get out of totalitarian risk considering the current executive and legislative at both state and federal levels.
    - virmundi 10y ago
      It only seems like that. As I said Florida is a nice balance of crazy. We've got several metropolitan areas that appeal to the leftist. We've got a lot of conservative areas too. For the most part people just leave you alone. Florida also has some of the most liberal information laws on the books. That's why we look so crazy. We're also heavily armed with 10s of thousands of former military that take their oaths to the constitution seriously. If we were to have a civil war, I like Florida's odds. Also, the US government wouldn't nuke their own people. If they did, they won't target Florida. Since those are off the table, we're talking about a traditional war. As we've seen with Afghanistan, the US military doesn't know how to fight an asymetric war. Good luck trying to get people that live in the hundreds of square miles of swamp. Arms are a big factor. Europe is at far greater risk of authoritarian regimes because their people are effectively disarmed. A few single shot shotguns won't do much. If only their population had ready access to AK47s, AR 15's or event bullpups out of Israel.
      - cardiffspaceman 10y ago
        > Florida also has some of the most liberal information laws on the books. That's why we look so crazy. I think this bears emphasis: Pretty much every crime report provided to or made by the police within Florida, silly or sublime, is available to the public [1]. This is a gold mine for people who want to run a "stranger than fiction" web site. It could distort one's view of what Florida is like. [1] http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-government-laws-lead-to-the-shame-of-florida-man-news-stories-7608595 http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-go...
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  From a West European citizen Canada has always seemed a good idea. Norway, Sweden and Finland are good candidates notwithstanding the language barrier.
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Looking at 1930s Germany, the fortunate ones were the ones who got out early. Stopping the political pendulum is hard; it's easier to get out of the way.

by tormeh 10y ago

Looking at 1930s Germany, the fortunate ones were the ones who got out early. Stopping the political pendulum is hard; it's easier to get out of the way.

kmonsen 10y ago

But where to go?

kowdermeister 10y ago
If you can work remotely, I'd pick something nice and sunny with a beach.
- sz4kerto 10y ago
  I can work remotely, but I can't bring my friends and family with me, and I can't bring all the other things. So I rather try and make 'this' a better place, if possible.
  - kowdermeister 10y ago
    That's great, luckily it doesn't seem that Hungary will collapse to something Turkey is becoming now. Have you been to Okotogon or other protests? I have and it was really inspiring to see that many young faces around. I Support all efforts of making Fidesz the least appealing party. That's probably all we can do if violence is not considered.
    - sz4kerto 10y ago
      Of course I've been :)
    - egeozcan 10y ago
      Well, do you know about Gezi protests? We also had that kind of inspiration. Just saying.
virmundi 10y ago
Florida. Sunny, has many beaches. Broadband even in small towns like Palatka. Low cost of living. A good balance of all kinds of crazy. You can even own guns, a big truck and more guns while living on a large river if you so choose all on a salary of about 60k. Then you're just a half hour away from nice size cities.
- masklinn 10y ago
  Florida seems like an absolutely terrible place to get out of totalitarian risk considering the current executive and legislative at both state and federal levels.
  - virmundi 10y ago
    It only seems like that. As I said Florida is a nice balance of crazy. We've got several metropolitan areas that appeal to the leftist. We've got a lot of conservative areas too. For the most part people just leave you alone. Florida also has some of the most liberal information laws on the books. That's why we look so crazy. We're also heavily armed with 10s of thousands of former military that take their oaths to the constitution seriously. If we were to have a civil war, I like Florida's odds. Also, the US government wouldn't nuke their own people. If they did, they won't target Florida. Since those are off the table, we're talking about a traditional war. As we've seen with Afghanistan, the US military doesn't know how to fight an asymetric war. Good luck trying to get people that live in the hundreds of square miles of swamp. Arms are a big factor. Europe is at far greater risk of authoritarian regimes because their people are effectively disarmed. A few single shot shotguns won't do much. If only their population had ready access to AK47s, AR 15's or event bullpups out of Israel.
    - cardiffspaceman 10y ago
      > Florida also has some of the most liberal information laws on the books. That's why we look so crazy. I think this bears emphasis: Pretty much every crime report provided to or made by the police within Florida, silly or sublime, is available to the public [1]. This is a gold mine for people who want to run a "stranger than fiction" web site. It could distort one's view of what Florida is like. [1] http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-government-laws-lead-to-the-shame-of-florida-man-news-stories-7608595 http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-go...
johnchristopher 10y ago
From a West European citizen Canada has always seemed a good idea. Norway, Sweden and Finland are good candidates notwithstanding the language barrier.
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