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F'ed up if you ask me. Imagine that being done to you by an alien species.

isomorph 10y ago
I have to agree with you. Funny you should say "alien" - I watched "Under The Skin" recently, and then read excerpts from the book. Without spoiling it, the fate of human (males) in the book is far, far worse than in the film. (Search "vodsel processing" if you want to find out more). Finally made me become vegetarian.
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- Danihan 10y ago
  >When one of their victims writes "mercy" in the dirt in front of their pursuers, Isserley pretends to not speak English, hoping to keep hidden the extent of their language capabilities. LOL, how is that comparable at all... The closest thing would be chimps or dolphins and we don't eat either.
  - isomorph 10y ago
    It's directly comparable, because all the aliens apart from Isserley believe that the humans have no language. Just like we believe that pigs, cows etc. have no language. But they do communicate with each other, don't they? So... it's directly comparable. Only Isserley speaks English because she's been trained to do so. So it's directly comparable.
    - Danihan 10y ago
      We actively search for animal languages, and some do have a bit. I suspect that the concept of "mercy" would not be too far away from something some animals could muster up. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/prairie-dogs-language-decoded-by-scientists-1.1322230 http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/prairie-dogs-language-deco... I'm still not going vegetarian though.
dmix 10y ago
How is this anywhere close to the same as Alien species using humans? We differentiate treatment by intelligence of species for a good reason. We allow courts to deal with the subtleties of what is considered cruel and unusual punishment for humans as well from this rational perspective, allowing certain degrees depending on context. I'm against whales and dolphins being kept in small area confinement. But I could hardly care about a crab being bled. The only concern is on the survivability of the species and the effect on the greater ecosystem. This is very rational and I don't see anything morally wrong with it. Nor do the vast majority of other scientists. Many of whom know much more about the species than I do. The end result is we have a unique way to test for bacteria in a variety of applications that at most save lives, or at a minimum vastly improve the quality. > Their distinctive blue blood is used to detect dangerous Gram-negative bacteria such as E. coli in injectable drugs such as insulin, implantable medical devices such as knee replacements, and hospital instruments such as scalpels and IVs.
- goldenkey 10y ago
  At least kill the f'kin things if you are gonna drain them of their blood. Seems like its just a poor excuse to say 'we didnt kill them..they are just fine! *drops crab back into water with half of its blood supply' Based on what I read, these crabs are basically given a death sentence. I'd rather them be killed and harvested than bloodsucked tortured and thrown back into a predator ecosystem where they are too delirious and pretty much get butchered by whatever's out there.
  - dmix 10y ago
    That's a fair concern. This is why studying it is important. The scientists made some assumptions that the blood would regenerate and they would likely be fine. So agreed it's good they did this and they should find a way to do it more humanely, if possible. > The International Union for Conservation of Nature, which sets global standards for species extinction, created a horseshoe crab subcommittee in 2012 to monitor the issue. The group decided last year that the American horseshoe crab is "vulnerable" to extinction—a higher level of danger compared to the last Red List assessment in 1996. An artificial replacement might be the only long term solution. Or mass breeding, if it is indeed so expensive. > And then there's the pure damn necessity. While several companies have come up with synthetic alternatives for detecting the presence of endotoxins in vaccines, medicine, and medical instruments, LAL is still the only test that has received FDA approval.
soylentcola 10y ago
Those photos of the crabs being lined up and bled reminded me of something out of The Matrix.
- goldenkey 10y ago
  It's very sick and deranged. I am surprised people here are defending it. We can admit that the medical boon is considered worth it to much of society but why can't we also admit this is extremely fucked up? I suppose people don't like to vilify the society in which they dwell even if it is with truth.

I have to agree with you. Funny you should say "alien" - I watched "Under The Skin" recently, and then read excerpts from the book. Without spoiling it, the fate of human (males) in the book is far, far worse than in the film. (Search "vodsel processing" if you want to find out more). Finally made me become vegetarian.

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Danihan 10y ago
>When one of their victims writes "mercy" in the dirt in front of their pursuers, Isserley pretends to not speak English, hoping to keep hidden the extent of their language capabilities. LOL, how is that comparable at all... The closest thing would be chimps or dolphins and we don't eat either.
- isomorph 10y ago
  It's directly comparable, because all the aliens apart from Isserley believe that the humans have no language. Just like we believe that pigs, cows etc. have no language. But they do communicate with each other, don't they? So... it's directly comparable. Only Isserley speaks English because she's been trained to do so. So it's directly comparable.
  - Danihan 10y ago
    We actively search for animal languages, and some do have a bit. I suspect that the concept of "mercy" would not be too far away from something some animals could muster up. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/prairie-dogs-language-decoded-by-scientists-1.1322230 http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/prairie-dogs-language-deco... I'm still not going vegetarian though.

dmix 10y ago

How is this anywhere close to the same as Alien species using humans? We differentiate treatment by intelligence of species for a good reason. We allow courts to deal with the subtleties of what is considered cruel and unusual punishment for humans as well from this rational perspective, allowing certain degrees depending on context. I'm against whales and dolphins being kept in small area confinement. But I could hardly care about a crab being bled. The only concern is on the survivability of the species and the effect on the greater ecosystem. This is very rational and I don't see anything morally wrong with it. Nor do the vast majority of other scientists. Many of whom know much more about the species than I do. The end result is we have a unique way to test for bacteria in a variety of applications that at most save lives, or at a minimum vastly improve the quality. > Their distinctive blue blood is used to detect dangerous Gram-negative bacteria such as E. coli in injectable drugs such as insulin, implantable medical devices such as knee replacements, and hospital instruments such as scalpels and IVs.

goldenkey 10y ago
At least kill the f'kin things if you are gonna drain them of their blood. Seems like its just a poor excuse to say 'we didnt kill them..they are just fine! *drops crab back into water with half of its blood supply' Based on what I read, these crabs are basically given a death sentence. I'd rather them be killed and harvested than bloodsucked tortured and thrown back into a predator ecosystem where they are too delirious and pretty much get butchered by whatever's out there.
- dmix 10y ago
  That's a fair concern. This is why studying it is important. The scientists made some assumptions that the blood would regenerate and they would likely be fine. So agreed it's good they did this and they should find a way to do it more humanely, if possible. > The International Union for Conservation of Nature, which sets global standards for species extinction, created a horseshoe crab subcommittee in 2012 to monitor the issue. The group decided last year that the American horseshoe crab is "vulnerable" to extinction—a higher level of danger compared to the last Red List assessment in 1996. An artificial replacement might be the only long term solution. Or mass breeding, if it is indeed so expensive. > And then there's the pure damn necessity. While several companies have come up with synthetic alternatives for detecting the presence of endotoxins in vaccines, medicine, and medical instruments, LAL is still the only test that has received FDA approval.

soylentcola 10y ago

Those photos of the crabs being lined up and bled reminded me of something out of The Matrix.

goldenkey 10y ago
It's very sick and deranged. I am surprised people here are defending it. We can admit that the medical boon is considered worth it to much of society but why can't we also admit this is extremely fucked up? I suppose people don't like to vilify the society in which they dwell even if it is with truth.