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What happens tomorrow, if Vivaldi becomes history? Do we own this data? How is it stored? Where is it located? Can we access this with any other tool? I know I

by notum 9y ago

What happens tomorrow, if Vivaldi becomes history? Do we own this data? How is it stored? Where is it located? Can we access this with any other tool? I know I'm begging for down-votes but I simply cannot understand how people can commit something as personal as web browsing to a closed source solution.

aembleton 9y ago
Under the heading `For your eyes only` "Vivaldi Technologies doesn’t collect your history data. All of this information is strictly private and local to your computer."
red023 9y ago
Where is your claim that vivaldi is close source coming from? https://vivaldi.com/source/ https://vivaldi.com/source/ // later edit below Excuse me but I am just reading on this and it seems its real open source it that sense. I did not even know this, so thank you for this. This makes Vivaldi a total no go for me. https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-source-vivaldi https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-s... It has in fact a proprietary license: "18 November 2016. "Subject to the terms and conditions herein, Vivaldi hereby grants You a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable license to install and use the Software and Services for its intended purpose. [...] Without limiting the foregoing, you are neither allowed to (a) adapt, alter, translate, embed into any other product or otherwise create derivative works of, or otherwise modify the Software ; (b) separate the component programs of the Software for use on different computers; (c) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software, except as permitted by applicable law; or (d) remove, alter or obscure any proprietary notices on the Software or the applicable documentation therein."
- theGimp 9y ago
  The license in the LICENSE file looks like BSD 2.0. The proprietary license you mention is only in the Windows installer (according a quick grep) ... but it's still legally murky in my uneducated opinion. Anyway, license notwithstanding, they do not publish the latest source. The download page has version 1.8, whose source is not available for download. There is also no repository and so no public history of changes on a per-commit basis. It might technically be open source, but certainly not in spirit.
  - red023 9y ago
    CEO Quote from the above link. "In addition, all of our UI code (included in normal packages) is written in plain, readable text. This means that all parts of Vivaldi are full audit-able and open from that perspective." So in other words. No that code is NOT open source. And he can stuck his "open from that perspective." BS up his ass. I am not gonna use stuff from people who do crap like this. AFAIK the Wikipedia page for Vivaldi says its proprietary for a reason. And I don't think that reason is because of a windows installer. They release their code they build on top of chromium as open source BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. But they build looks like they build other stuff that is "open" but not open source. At least this is what I have got from my quick look at it. This seems to follow a Opera and Chrome tradition. Even Chrome is not open source. Its 99% Chromium +1% Google crap on top of it. I am very opposed to this kind of stuff and for Opera and Vivaldi thats not just 1%. Happy to get corrected of better educated on this.
    - theGimp 9y ago
      Can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but you can communicate the same thing while maintaining civility.
      - red023 9y ago
        civility sucks.
        sctb 9y ago
        Please stop violating the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
andoon 9y ago
You'd be surprised to know Chrome synchronises your history to their browsers, and that part is closed source.
0xCMP 9y ago
Also their privacy policy is pretty direct about them not collecting much information. https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ Not a sure thing obviously, but it's something I haven't seen mentioned yet here.
- actsasbuffoon 9y ago
  That's a great privacy policy! It's brief and clearly worded. I'd been holding off on using Vivaldi because I wanted to know exactly what information was being collected. I tried to find the privacy policy on their site, but could only find the one regarding the data their website collects. To the Vivaldi team: You might consider making this privacy policy more prominent on your site. Not being able to find it was literally the only reason I hadn't tried your browser until now.

by notum 9y ago

aembleton 9y ago

Under the heading `For your eyes only` "Vivaldi Technologies doesn’t collect your history data. All of this information is strictly private and local to your computer."

red023 9y ago

Where is your claim that vivaldi is close source coming from? https://vivaldi.com/source/ https://vivaldi.com/source/ // later edit below Excuse me but I am just reading on this and it seems its real open source it that sense. I did not even know this, so thank you for this. This makes Vivaldi a total no go for me. https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-source-vivaldi https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-s... It has in fact a proprietary license: "18 November 2016. "Subject to the terms and conditions herein, Vivaldi hereby grants You a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable license to install and use the Software and Services for its intended purpose. [...] Without limiting the foregoing, you are neither allowed to (a) adapt, alter, translate, embed into any other product or otherwise create derivative works of, or otherwise modify the Software ; (b) separate the component programs of the Software for use on different computers; (c) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software, except as permitted by applicable law; or (d) remove, alter or obscure any proprietary notices on the Software or the applicable documentation therein."

theGimp 9y ago
The license in the LICENSE file looks like BSD 2.0. The proprietary license you mention is only in the Windows installer (according a quick grep) ... but it's still legally murky in my uneducated opinion. Anyway, license notwithstanding, they do not publish the latest source. The download page has version 1.8, whose source is not available for download. There is also no repository and so no public history of changes on a per-commit basis. It might technically be open source, but certainly not in spirit.
- red023 9y ago
  CEO Quote from the above link. "In addition, all of our UI code (included in normal packages) is written in plain, readable text. This means that all parts of Vivaldi are full audit-able and open from that perspective." So in other words. No that code is NOT open source. And he can stuck his "open from that perspective." BS up his ass. I am not gonna use stuff from people who do crap like this. AFAIK the Wikipedia page for Vivaldi says its proprietary for a reason. And I don't think that reason is because of a windows installer. They release their code they build on top of chromium as open source BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. But they build looks like they build other stuff that is "open" but not open source. At least this is what I have got from my quick look at it. This seems to follow a Opera and Chrome tradition. Even Chrome is not open source. Its 99% Chromium +1% Google crap on top of it. I am very opposed to this kind of stuff and for Opera and Vivaldi thats not just 1%. Happy to get corrected of better educated on this.
  - theGimp 9y ago
    Can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but you can communicate the same thing while maintaining civility.
    - red023 9y ago
      civility sucks.
      - sctb 9y ago
        Please stop violating the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

andoon 9y ago

You'd be surprised to know Chrome synchronises your history to their browsers, and that part is closed source.

0xCMP 9y ago

Also their privacy policy is pretty direct about them not collecting much information. https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/ Not a sure thing obviously, but it's something I haven't seen mentioned yet here.

actsasbuffoon 9y ago
That's a great privacy policy! It's brief and clearly worded. I'd been holding off on using Vivaldi because I wanted to know exactly what information was being collected. I tried to find the privacy policy on their site, but could only find the one regarding the data their website collects. To the Vivaldi team: You might consider making this privacy policy more prominent on your site. Not being able to find it was literally the only reason I hadn't tried your browser until now.