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> As a US citizen, and given how things like 9/11 were funded, this is exactly what I want NSA to be doing. This is thier job. Do you know what 9/11 really is

> As a US citizen, and given how things like 9/11 were funded, this is exactly what I want NSA to be doing. This is thier job. Do you know what 9/11 really is (the intentions, terrorist involvements, etc)? Never. Neither do I. We just (have to) believe what the main stream media says about it. That's it. Given that the ThinThread project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinThread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinThread) was discontinued 3 weeks before 9/11, I suspect that there is a high probability for NSA to be involved in 9/11. To get yourself motivated, I would suggest you to see Person Of Interest, the complete series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_%28TV_series%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_%28TV_serie... Thanks

3131s 9y ago
There is a lot of evidence that certain elements within the US government had foreknowledge of 9/11. Nothing conclusive, but enough to begin an investigation into people like Dick Cheney. Is it really so hard to believe that the same war criminals who manufactured the Iraq war might also turn a blind eye to a terror attack that spurred trillions in weapons and "defense" spending?
- bigbugbag 9y ago
  Why so much incertitude in your words for documented facts ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks#Bush_era_reports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_befo... Also the french journalist that has authored the article “September 11: the French had long known” got prosecuted for breaching state secret by exposing that France services had prior knowledge and had passed the information in january of 2011. The probe against Dasquié stems from his April 16 article in Le Monde, titled “September 11: the French had long known,” which said French intelligence services, the General Directorate of External Security (DGSE), had warned their U.S. counterparts of a possible terrorist plot that involved the hijacking of planes and crashing them into buildings some eight months before 9/11, according to international news reports. The article contained excerpts from a DGSE file titled “Aircraft hijack plan by radical Islamists”—part of a 328-page classified report on al-Qaeda activities, which Le Monde said it possessed. One excerpt from the report, dated January 5, 2001, said al-Qaeda had a list of potential airline targets, which included the United and American Airlines carriers used in the 9/11 attacks, the AP said. Le Monde said the DGSE files in its possession contained maps, analyses, graphics, and satellite photos, Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported. https://cpj.org/2007/12/french-journalist-investigated-over-intelligence-l.php https://cpj.org/2007/12/french-journalist-investigated-over-...
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  - 3131s 9y ago
    > Why so much incertitude in your words for documented facts ? Ha, well in part because I am trying to frame this position for the HN audience. And also because it's an extremely serious claim, though even without the foreknowledge component there is clear criminal behavior on the part of multiple US administrations. I didn't know about the French journalist you mention, but I am aware of * Dozens of foreign governments warning the US in advance * The CIA puting a memo on Bush's desk a month before detailing an imminent terrorist attack involving hijacking planes * Identification of the hijackers by multiple FBI agents, who in some cases had informants living with the hijackers and who were aware that in flight school the hijackers were uninterested in learning to take off and land planes. * Able Danger, a SOCOM and DIA effort that identified 2 of 3 Al Qaeda cells active in the 9/11 attacks, including ringleader Mohammed Atta up to two years prior to 9/11 * William Binney claiming that the NSA did have the raw intelligence to uncover the 9/11 plot, though that intelligence may not have been processed in time. * Historically similar plans for a false flag like Operation Northwoods * The death of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly, just two days after being questioned aggressively by the Foreign Affairs Select Committee * Various whistleblowers like Susan Lindauer who claim to have had foreknowledge and tried to warn their superiors * Wire transfers from Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US under Bush, directly to two hijackers. Bandar is also implicated in illegal arms dealing and is so close to the Bushes that the family themselves nicknamed him "Bandar Bush". * War games on the day of 9/11 that were remarkably similar to the real event, and confused the response effort. So, I agree. It's more likely than not certain people had foreknowledge and exploited it for the purpose of war profiteering. Even though I have been reading about this for a long, long time, sometimes it's still hard to imagine that anyone could be so wicked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-k...

3131s 9y ago

There is a lot of evidence that certain elements within the US government had foreknowledge of 9/11. Nothing conclusive, but enough to begin an investigation into people like Dick Cheney. Is it really so hard to believe that the same war criminals who manufactured the Iraq war might also turn a blind eye to a terror attack that spurred trillions in weapons and "defense" spending?

bigbugbag 9y ago
Why so much incertitude in your words for documented facts ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks#Bush_era_reports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_befo... Also the french journalist that has authored the article “September 11: the French had long known” got prosecuted for breaching state secret by exposing that France services had prior knowledge and had passed the information in january of 2011. The probe against Dasquié stems from his April 16 article in Le Monde, titled “September 11: the French had long known,” which said French intelligence services, the General Directorate of External Security (DGSE), had warned their U.S. counterparts of a possible terrorist plot that involved the hijacking of planes and crashing them into buildings some eight months before 9/11, according to international news reports. The article contained excerpts from a DGSE file titled “Aircraft hijack plan by radical Islamists”—part of a 328-page classified report on al-Qaeda activities, which Le Monde said it possessed. One excerpt from the report, dated January 5, 2001, said al-Qaeda had a list of potential airline targets, which included the United and American Airlines carriers used in the 9/11 attacks, the AP said. Le Monde said the DGSE files in its possession contained maps, analyses, graphics, and satellite photos, Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported. https://cpj.org/2007/12/french-journalist-investigated-over-intelligence-l.php https://cpj.org/2007/12/french-journalist-investigated-over-...
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- 3131s 9y ago
  > Why so much incertitude in your words for documented facts ? Ha, well in part because I am trying to frame this position for the HN audience. And also because it's an extremely serious claim, though even without the foreknowledge component there is clear criminal behavior on the part of multiple US administrations. I didn't know about the French journalist you mention, but I am aware of * Dozens of foreign governments warning the US in advance * The CIA puting a memo on Bush's desk a month before detailing an imminent terrorist attack involving hijacking planes * Identification of the hijackers by multiple FBI agents, who in some cases had informants living with the hijackers and who were aware that in flight school the hijackers were uninterested in learning to take off and land planes. * Able Danger, a SOCOM and DIA effort that identified 2 of 3 Al Qaeda cells active in the 9/11 attacks, including ringleader Mohammed Atta up to two years prior to 9/11 * William Binney claiming that the NSA did have the raw intelligence to uncover the 9/11 plot, though that intelligence may not have been processed in time. * Historically similar plans for a false flag like Operation Northwoods * The death of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly, just two days after being questioned aggressively by the Foreign Affairs Select Committee * Various whistleblowers like Susan Lindauer who claim to have had foreknowledge and tried to warn their superiors * Wire transfers from Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US under Bush, directly to two hijackers. Bandar is also implicated in illegal arms dealing and is so close to the Bushes that the family themselves nicknamed him "Bandar Bush". * War games on the day of 9/11 that were remarkably similar to the real event, and confused the response effort. So, I agree. It's more likely than not certain people had foreknowledge and exploited it for the purpose of war profiteering. Even though I have been reading about this for a long, long time, sometimes it's still hard to imagine that anyone could be so wicked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-k...