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I strongly disagree with much of that. Hacking capability is not nearly as specialized as nuclear or ICBM technology. Computer science is taught in almost every

by sigmar 10y ago

I strongly disagree with much of that. Hacking capability is not nearly as specialized as nuclear or ICBM technology. Computer science is taught in almost every university, and knowledge on it can be acquired in many non-formal settings. A 0day can be purchased in the range of $100,000, which is well within the budget of many countries. Additionally, there are many "advanced persistent threats" that are thought not to be state sponsored.

coldtea 10y ago
>I strongly disagree with much of that. Hacking capability is not nearly as specialized as nuclear or ICBM technology No, but doing anything with the data, and being able to get away with doing it, is.
- Buge 10y ago
  It's easy to get away with it if you don't have an extradition treaty with the US. But as soon as you go on vacation to a country that does have a treaty... https://qz.com/954265/russian-hacker-pyotr-levashov-arrested-in-spain-for-alleged-links-to-us-election-hack/ https://qz.com/954265/russian-hacker-pyotr-levashov-arrested...
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >It's easy to get away with it if you don't have an extradition treaty with the US. It's not about being extradited. It's about your country being bombed, economically pressured, embargoed, messed with diplomatically, through your neighbors given preferential treatment and arms, etc.
- sigmar 10y ago
  Did the U.S. get away with it? Sort of, maybe? But we _are_ commenting on a wired article about it.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Getting away it and "having a wired article about doing it" are totally compatible things. The kind of not getting away with it I mean involves the impact of the world's #1 military and economy fucking your country over in retribution. It's not like the US would even feel a pinch if some middle eastern country embargoes its products. Now reverse that, or add even more extreme measures to it (doing to Iraq level measures) and you get the point.
bigbugbag 10y ago
So basically what you say is that students can get diplomas in computer science and several countries can afford to spend $100,000. This hardly makes a case for any country being able to match the US capability and exposed acts of hacking. I sincerely doubt that a country could pull out a stuxnet with a couple $100,000 0day and a hundreds of people with computer science diplomas. There's a reason stuxnet was almost instantly pinned on the US and that reason is that apart from maybe China and Russia (who seem to have fun hacking the US and not getting caught or exposed) no other country can match the US.
- code_duck 10y ago
  The US also happens to be the home and origin of most of the global software industry.
- sigmar 10y ago
  >This hardly makes a case for any country being able to match the US capability and exposed acts of hacking. No one is making that case
- ionised 10y ago
  > his hardly makes a case for any country being able to match the US capability and exposed acts of hacking This is bizarre to witness. It's amost like as an American you need to be safe in the perception that the US is #1 always, even in truly terrible things.

by sigmar 10y ago

coldtea 10y ago

>I strongly disagree with much of that. Hacking capability is not nearly as specialized as nuclear or ICBM technology No, but doing anything with the data, and being able to get away with doing it, is.

Buge 10y ago
It's easy to get away with it if you don't have an extradition treaty with the US. But as soon as you go on vacation to a country that does have a treaty... https://qz.com/954265/russian-hacker-pyotr-levashov-arrested-in-spain-for-alleged-links-to-us-election-hack/ https://qz.com/954265/russian-hacker-pyotr-levashov-arrested...
- coldtea 10y ago
  >It's easy to get away with it if you don't have an extradition treaty with the US. It's not about being extradited. It's about your country being bombed, economically pressured, embargoed, messed with diplomatically, through your neighbors given preferential treatment and arms, etc.
sigmar 10y ago
Did the U.S. get away with it? Sort of, maybe? But we _are_ commenting on a wired article about it.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Getting away it and "having a wired article about doing it" are totally compatible things. The kind of not getting away with it I mean involves the impact of the world's #1 military and economy fucking your country over in retribution. It's not like the US would even feel a pinch if some middle eastern country embargoes its products. Now reverse that, or add even more extreme measures to it (doing to Iraq level measures) and you get the point.

bigbugbag 10y ago

So basically what you say is that students can get diplomas in computer science and several countries can afford to spend $100,000. This hardly makes a case for any country being able to match the US capability and exposed acts of hacking. I sincerely doubt that a country could pull out a stuxnet with a couple $100,000 0day and a hundreds of people with computer science diplomas. There's a reason stuxnet was almost instantly pinned on the US and that reason is that apart from maybe China and Russia (who seem to have fun hacking the US and not getting caught or exposed) no other country can match the US.

code_duck 10y ago
The US also happens to be the home and origin of most of the global software industry.
sigmar 10y ago
>This hardly makes a case for any country being able to match the US capability and exposed acts of hacking. No one is making that case
ionised 10y ago
> his hardly makes a case for any country being able to match the US capability and exposed acts of hacking This is bizarre to witness. It's amost like as an American you need to be safe in the perception that the US is #1 always, even in truly terrible things.