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ok, 'search that does not suck' isn't a feature of IMAP. > Filtering doesn't belong at the IMAP protocol layer anymore than it belongs at the SMTP layer. Righ

ok, 'search that does not suck' isn't a feature of IMAP. > Filtering doesn't belong at the IMAP protocol layer anymore than it belongs at the SMTP layer. Right, so users are forced to set up this stuff for each and every device they have. This is a big reason why the exodus to webmail and the proprietary internal-only protocols they use. Seive is really powerful and I've used it plenty of times, but it's not standard and is something that needs to be done completely separate from almost all email clients. Unless you are a big email nerd that runs your own servers it's pretty much worthless.

mike-cardwell 9y ago
What sucks about IMAP search? I linked to the protocol in my previous comment. It's pretty damn comprehensive in what it offers... You can get desktop and web based and command line clients which talk the ManageSieve protocol so provide you with an interface to manage your server based sieve mail filters [1] I'll agree that it's not common. Not because there is anything wrong with it, but because companies like Google decided to roll their own for whatever reason. [1] http://sieve.info/clients http://sieve.info/clients
- Mailtemi 9y ago
  IMAP Search support only ASCII and you cannot search non-English content. There is an extension for utf-8, but Some of the major emails services as Outlook/Ofiice365 doesn't support it. Also, you can search only a particular folder instead entire mailbox.
  - mike-cardwell 9y ago
    Fair points. I guess I've never had to search for non-ASCII text. Hopefully the UTF-8 extension will gain support over time. I can see use cases for needing to search across multiple folders. I guess I've not felt the need to do that myself before. However, no reason your IMAP client couldn't search folders one after the other, or open multiple connections and search multiple folders simultaneously.
jamiesonbecker 9y ago
> Sieve is really powerful and I've used it plenty of times, but it's not standard It is, actually. https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5804 https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5804 > something that needs to be done completely separate from almost all email clients. In that it is not part of IMAP, yes. However, webmail clients like Roundcube and desktop clients like Thunderbird and Claws/Sylpheed all offer plugins.

mike-cardwell 9y ago

What sucks about IMAP search? I linked to the protocol in my previous comment. It's pretty damn comprehensive in what it offers... You can get desktop and web based and command line clients which talk the ManageSieve protocol so provide you with an interface to manage your server based sieve mail filters [1] I'll agree that it's not common. Not because there is anything wrong with it, but because companies like Google decided to roll their own for whatever reason. [1] http://sieve.info/clients http://sieve.info/clients

Mailtemi 9y ago
IMAP Search support only ASCII and you cannot search non-English content. There is an extension for utf-8, but Some of the major emails services as Outlook/Ofiice365 doesn't support it. Also, you can search only a particular folder instead entire mailbox.
- mike-cardwell 9y ago
  Fair points. I guess I've never had to search for non-ASCII text. Hopefully the UTF-8 extension will gain support over time. I can see use cases for needing to search across multiple folders. I guess I've not felt the need to do that myself before. However, no reason your IMAP client couldn't search folders one after the other, or open multiple connections and search multiple folders simultaneously.

jamiesonbecker 9y ago

> Sieve is really powerful and I've used it plenty of times, but it's not standard It is, actually. https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5804 https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5804 > something that needs to be done completely separate from almost all email clients. In that it is not part of IMAP, yes. However, webmail clients like Roundcube and desktop clients like Thunderbird and Claws/Sylpheed all offer plugins.