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The web already is decentralized. It's literally possible for anyone to create their own content, platform etc. It seems to me that these re-decentralizing att

The web already is decentralized. It's literally possible for anyone to create their own content, platform etc. It seems to me that these re-decentralizing attempts are really just marketing in open-source wolf-clothes. Furthermore you don't re-decentralize the web my making a tool whos value proposition is just that. Create something which has value, which people want to use instead of something else. Thats decentralization in reality.

sharun 10y ago
People have been conditioned now for a decade to attach value to their like/retweet/view/karma counts. It's the core piece of the architecture producing the instant gratification high that everyone is addicted too. It really is the biggest factor that forces centralization of our social networks. Any decentralization scheme that produces value needs to address it. Most that get proposed don't.
- EGreg 10y ago
  That's because the current "social" web is really about announcements and talking at crowds. Real social activities are decentralized local things like: * Going to dinner * Taking a trip together * Chipping in for a gift * Attending an event * Dating * Interacting with one another * Forums and communities * Group driving * Meetups * Volunteering in community * Helping after a disaster * Buying and selling furniture That's the stuff you don't need global singletons for. You don't need your signal to go to facebook or even AT&T to invite friends for dinner. Centralized social networks and governments cause perverse feelings in local communities where eg democrats and republicans living next to each other increasingly hate each other. I talk about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzMm7-j7yIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzMm7-j7yIY
  - eximius 10y ago
    Even 'real' social activities are increasingly reliant on multinationals that economically dominate their spaces. You don't HAVE to use them, but it is rarer and rarer to not roll up to a multinational. That is still a form of centralization.

sharun 10y ago

People have been conditioned now for a decade to attach value to their like/retweet/view/karma counts. It's the core piece of the architecture producing the instant gratification high that everyone is addicted too. It really is the biggest factor that forces centralization of our social networks. Any decentralization scheme that produces value needs to address it. Most that get proposed don't.

EGreg 10y ago
That's because the current "social" web is really about announcements and talking at crowds. Real social activities are decentralized local things like: * Going to dinner * Taking a trip together * Chipping in for a gift * Attending an event * Dating * Interacting with one another * Forums and communities * Group driving * Meetups * Volunteering in community * Helping after a disaster * Buying and selling furniture That's the stuff you don't need global singletons for. You don't need your signal to go to facebook or even AT&T to invite friends for dinner. Centralized social networks and governments cause perverse feelings in local communities where eg democrats and republicans living next to each other increasingly hate each other. I talk about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzMm7-j7yIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzMm7-j7yIY
- eximius 10y ago
  Even 'real' social activities are increasingly reliant on multinationals that economically dominate their spaces. You don't HAVE to use them, but it is rarer and rarer to not roll up to a multinational. That is still a form of centralization.