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OpenBSD 6.1 is not a CD release
- herge 10y agoI guess CDs were not a revenue source after all: "> If no OpenBSD CDs are going to be released, then probably it is better > to just send a donation to the OpenBSD foundation and/or to Theo de > Raadt. Vijay, that is the correct way to sustain the software. The CDs haven't pulled in sustaining revenue for many years. Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear."
- moron4hire 10y agoDonation-based software is a recipe for constantly having not enough money. OpenBSD should provide an enterprise license for kilobucks. Not even call it a "support" program, just a license for enterprise use. It could even be the same terms as the BSD license, just name it and give it a price that can easily go on a corporate budget as a line item. It sounds stupid, but enterprise users would rather spend money than not spend money.
- Redoubts 10y agoSQLite does this http://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1 http://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1?
- lsadam0 10y agoThis is a great idea. I'm constantly having to justify that something we didn't pay for can actually be good. Many times I wish the company did have to pay for open source software just so I can throw it in the budget and avoid the argument.
- pyvpx 10y agoah, an OpenBSD submission on the front page! time to remind everyone that uses OpenSSH to donate to the OpenBSD Foundation. Hey everybody who uses OpenSSH (I cannot fathom a single person reading this who does not regularly use OpenSSH), donate to the OpenBSD Foundation: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ Yes, it's Canadian. No, you can't write it off your taxes. Why? Because there aren't enough donations to make the accounting and legal costs to do so viable. Want your donations to be tax deductible? Get (more of) your OpenSSH using friends (and companies!) to donate (more) and it just might happen!
- kobeya 10y agoIs there a foundation I can donate to for replacing OpenSSH? Yes I use that insecure, bug-ridden mess everyday, and am frightened of that fact.
- gpm 10y agoOpenSSH is "insecure and bug-ridden"? Perhaps you're thinking of OpenSSL? As I understand it OpenSSH has had a pretty good security track record. If so, consider donating to the OpenBSD foundation. See libreSSL.
- AsyncAwait 10y agoHuh? Perhaps you confused OpenSSH with OpenSSL? Just to clarify, OpenSSH implements the SSH protocol, an encrypted Telnet replacement for remote login into machines. OpenSSL is used to secure web traffic in transit and is the one with the Heartbleed fiasco. They're different entities.
- danieldk 10y agoI think the grandparent is indeed confused, but just to be pedantic: OpenSSH used to use OpenSSL as it's library for cryptography primitives. Of course, it switched to LibreSSL when LibreSSL was forked from OpenSSL.
- pyvpx 10y ago
- phaemon 10y agoI guess CDs are outdated now, but perhaps they could go retro and do a vinyl release?
- davidgerard 10y agoI'm thinking now of 8-bit software on flexidiscs from the '70s and '80s.
- msh 10y agoI think retro for physical computer media would be tape decks or punch cards.
- lultimouomo 10y agoThis is about audio CDs, with songs, that were released together with OpenBSD releases as a mean to gather some funding, not about data CDs as OpenBSD installation media.
- ams6110 10y agoIt's both. The audio tracks were packaged with the installation CDs. They are no longer selling either.
- raverbashing 10y agoJust have a long sequence of hex codes printed so we can type it at home
- david-given 10y agoHm. At an optimistic 5kB per second (via something like the protocol used on 56kb modems), and given a single side of vinyl can be pushed to about 30 minutes, that gives you ~10MB per side. Have you thought about VHS instead? You can fit about 2GB on an E180 tape using the right piece of cutting edge technology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid OTOH, I have just put together a Minix 1.7 distribution which would fit on that vinyl disk, so if downgrading's an option...
- eloy 10y ago> Sorry guys. > Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners? CD burners that were used to burn OpenBSD CDs over the years? Well, that would be a nice collectors item :)
- leshaw 10y agoEveryone knows that physical media is a thing of the past.
- na85 10y agoAnd yet there's still no sane way to move data from my laptop to my desktop without physical media. As long as it is easier to send the data round trip to a datacentre in Kansas and back than it is to send it within my own lan, physical media will always be "a thing of the present"
- gpm 10y agoI transfer files like that all the time. Run sshd on your desktop (assuming your behind a NAT there are nearly 0 security issues with this), when you want to transfer files `rsync username@desktops_ip:remote_file local_file`. Alternatively use something like syncthing.
- ams6110 10y agoSomewhere > 100GB, (or less, depending on connection speeds) sending physical media is faster. I recently copied 2TB from one hard drive to another on the same computer and it took half a day. Trying to rsync that amount of data over the internet would take far longer than FedEx-ing a hard drive. Even locally, it can be faster to copy data to a thumb drive, move it to the other machine, and copy it back than to send it over the network.
- leshaw 10y agoEveryone knows that physical media is a thing of the past.
- hackuser 10y agoBased on that mailing list post and other things I've seen, I'm a little concerned that OpenBSD lacks sufficient funding or that Theo De Raadt is burnt out enough not to care (which would be completely understandable; I'm certainly wouldn't blame him after his long, insufficiently remunerated, Herculean efforts). That would be a much bigger issue than the availability of CDs. OTOH, he also suggests that the OpenBSD Foundation could be generating enough revenue. Does anyone know? Relevant excerpts from Theo's mailing list post: I made 40 CD releases in 20 years, investing personal effort and risk to build and sustain the costs of this project and sub-projects. I do not want to keep making CDs to sustain myself and the project anymore. Other ways need to work now. and The CDs haven't pulled in sustaining revenue for many years. Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear.
- keithpeter 10y ago"I think the audio CDs are undervalued. They contain no dorky software -- they are lyrics + music + drawing, just art. Dorky art sure, but no software..." Perhaps an occasional audio CD might be fun? No pressure. No need to worry about freeze date impact on the development process. I just bought the 'Sargent Pepper' (5.8) poster as it has the developers on it.
- frik 10y agoThey still offer ISO and other options like USB-stick image. ISO image is important to install on virtual machine, and you csn burn it on DVD.
- yellowapple 10y agoAn ISO image is also important for older machines that don't support USB boot. This is often the case for PowerPC Macs.