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As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural safeguards built into the system. I see nothing in Electron which suggests structural

As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural safeguards built into the system. I see nothing in Electron which suggests structural quality. I wonder whether rose-colored glasses are overly tinting the viewpoints of folks in the JS community.

seishun 9y ago
>As participation increases, quality declines [citation needed]
- BuuQu9hu 9y ago
  https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ If it fails to terrify you, reread.
- RandomInteger4 9y ago
  This is something so obvious that it doesn't need a citation, but I think it's misunderstood. It doesn't mean that the quality of the product decreases, but that the average quality of whatever is made with the product decreases from a user's perspective. Just take a look at WordPress; I'm going to assume that over time the product itself has gotten more secure and usable due to more eyes being on it and it's adoption rate increasing, but being secure in itself doesn't mean that it can't be used insecurely.
tree_of_item 9y ago
> As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural safeguards built into the system. Well, yeah, but that's a refutation of the entire web. Maybe we should go back to the days when only a chosen elite was able to distribute writing or software to a wide audience?
- BuuQu9hu 9y ago
  Let's be honest, Gopher was not that bad, and the Web is quite bad. That said, I'm not sure whether the Web can be replaced with something more desirable; a lot of folks like the Web's inability to protect folks from each other.
- izacus 9y ago
  What a strawman. Noone wants to go back to days of "chosen elite", but JS/Electron really really REALLY isn't the only simple way of building cross-platform apps. Don't make false comparisons. Cross platform desktop toolkits are usually SIMPLER to build apps in because they don't have the document-centric baggage of HTML/CSS/JS stack. People have been building cross-platform software since forever - heck, in 1980s you had to port your game/software on several different architectures and bedroom programmers (far from "chosen elite") regularly supported Ataris, Amigas, Commodores, PCs and other platforms.
  - tree_of_item 9y ago
    > Cross platform desktop toolkits are usually SIMPLER to build apps in because they don't have the document-centric baggage of HTML/CSS/JS stack. Which one is simpler than Electron, in your opinion? Because it seems like a lot of people would like that sort of thing.

seishun 9y ago

>As participation increases, quality declines [citation needed]

BuuQu9hu 9y ago
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ If it fails to terrify you, reread.
RandomInteger4 9y ago
This is something so obvious that it doesn't need a citation, but I think it's misunderstood. It doesn't mean that the quality of the product decreases, but that the average quality of whatever is made with the product decreases from a user's perspective. Just take a look at WordPress; I'm going to assume that over time the product itself has gotten more secure and usable due to more eyes being on it and it's adoption rate increasing, but being secure in itself doesn't mean that it can't be used insecurely.

tree_of_item 9y ago

> As participation increases, quality declines, unless there are structural safeguards built into the system. Well, yeah, but that's a refutation of the entire web. Maybe we should go back to the days when only a chosen elite was able to distribute writing or software to a wide audience?

BuuQu9hu 9y ago
Let's be honest, Gopher was not that bad, and the Web is quite bad. That said, I'm not sure whether the Web can be replaced with something more desirable; a lot of folks like the Web's inability to protect folks from each other.
izacus 9y ago
What a strawman. Noone wants to go back to days of "chosen elite", but JS/Electron really really REALLY isn't the only simple way of building cross-platform apps. Don't make false comparisons. Cross platform desktop toolkits are usually SIMPLER to build apps in because they don't have the document-centric baggage of HTML/CSS/JS stack. People have been building cross-platform software since forever - heck, in 1980s you had to port your game/software on several different architectures and bedroom programmers (far from "chosen elite") regularly supported Ataris, Amigas, Commodores, PCs and other platforms.
- tree_of_item 9y ago
  > Cross platform desktop toolkits are usually SIMPLER to build apps in because they don't have the document-centric baggage of HTML/CSS/JS stack. Which one is simpler than Electron, in your opinion? Because it seems like a lot of people would like that sort of thing.