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I may be putting words in your mouth but I think you are saying that non-graduates who are not soaked in debt have more choices, and if so I'd agree. Employers

I may be putting words in your mouth but I think you are saying that non-graduates who are not soaked in debt have more choices, and if so I'd agree. Employers want in order of preference: * h1-b - work late or life as you know it ends * big mortgage with family - work late or I ruin your family's life * big university debt - work late or I ruin your life Debt is a tool of control.

nebabyte 10y ago
I, or my high-paying competitor who wants you working for him :)
- branchless 10y ago
  For the majority of IT workers this isn't the case. At the top-end of the market it works. But my point was the average case for employers. They don't want people with choices.
- randomdata 10y ago
  Although, with some exception where protectionism ensures high pay, the higher the paying the work, the less concerned the market is with degrees. This is more due to the fact that high paying jobs are high paying because it's difficult to find people, and you can't be choosy when your options are already limited. But the secondary effect is that with the high pay, the benefits of "debt control" is lost anyway, so there's still no reason to look for workers with degrees. Hence why the reasonably high paying software industry couldn't care less about formal education, but lowly office jobs that barely pay minimum wage expect the world from their applicants.
psyc 10y ago
I might agree that a hypothetical crappy employer would want those things. Every employer I've worked for wanted good programmers, and that's all they wanted.
literallycancer 10y ago
>h1-b - work late or life as you know it ends I wonder if this would be the case even for people who don't care about progress towards the green card? E.g. literally being in the US just for the job, no plans to settle down.
tonyedgecombe 10y ago
My first employer actively encouraged its employees to get into debt (cars, housing, etc). Sadly it took me some time to connect the dots and realise what they were doing.

nebabyte 10y ago

I, or my high-paying competitor who wants you working for him :)

branchless 10y ago
For the majority of IT workers this isn't the case. At the top-end of the market it works. But my point was the average case for employers. They don't want people with choices.
randomdata 10y ago
Although, with some exception where protectionism ensures high pay, the higher the paying the work, the less concerned the market is with degrees. This is more due to the fact that high paying jobs are high paying because it's difficult to find people, and you can't be choosy when your options are already limited. But the secondary effect is that with the high pay, the benefits of "debt control" is lost anyway, so there's still no reason to look for workers with degrees. Hence why the reasonably high paying software industry couldn't care less about formal education, but lowly office jobs that barely pay minimum wage expect the world from their applicants.

psyc 10y ago

I might agree that a hypothetical crappy employer would want those things. Every employer I've worked for wanted good programmers, and that's all they wanted.

literallycancer 10y ago

>h1-b - work late or life as you know it ends I wonder if this would be the case even for people who don't care about progress towards the green card? E.g. literally being in the US just for the job, no plans to settle down.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago

My first employer actively encouraged its employees to get into debt (cars, housing, etc). Sadly it took me some time to connect the dots and realise what they were doing.