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People haven't yet realised that it's not EU versus US versus China but rather corporations versus the people. If they did, states would cooperate more so as no

by praptak 10y ago

People haven't yet realised that it's not EU versus US versus China but rather corporations versus the people. If they did, states would cooperate more so as not to let corps play one against the other and thus screw everyone. Anyway, the solution to the particular problem of the rich owning Congress isn't breaking multinationals but rather limits on campaign donations - this whole "money is speech" argument is just bullshit.

simion314 10y ago
I agree with the limits in campaigns, I am not from US and here too lot of money it is spent in campaigns and after election the politicians must pay the money back with favors, so IMO no limits encourages corruption, and the money spent on campaigns could be used in a better way.
bigtimeidiot 10y ago
>People haven't yet realised Thankfully we have enlightened people among us to guide the sheep, right? >that it's not EU versus US versus China but rather corporations versus the people Corporations have zero ability to act by themselves. So where do you propose to draw the between the "corporation team" and the "people team"?
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Viruses and mad dogs also have little innate volition. We still put them down, if we can.
- dang 10y ago
  > Thankfully we have enlightened people among us to guide the sheep, right? Please don't do this here. If another comment takes a wrong turn, going further that way doesn't help. Instead, please help the thread self-correct by posting more substantively.
ciq_steve 10y ago
3M, Activision and Alaska Air Group (3 S&P 500 companies) are a bigger threats than the government? I'd venture to say between corporations and governments 99% of 'bad things' that have happened in the last century were at the hands of governments. A few world wars is a good starting place. The idea that governments are benevolent overseers of the common good is what is bullshit. Those in government are as self-interested (if not more) as any other group (lawyers, plumbers, etc). The last thing the rich want to do is kow-tow to a bunch of politicians, but the reality is they have to because one poorly conceived law or regulation can do real harm to a business. You have to pay to be at the table to do the best you can to prevent this. Politicians demand $$$$ to be at that table. I've seen this first hand.
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jessaustin 10y ago
...the solution to the particular problem of the rich owning Congress isn't breaking multinationals but rather limits on campaign donations... That's so cute. If only this super-powerful threat to humanity could be directed toward the good rather than the banal, all would be well! Bullshit. The threat itself is the problem, not who is temporarily at the reins. In fact this whole myth of "if we vote hard enough it will work this time!" was created by those who want to perpetuate the monster, so that they may profit by it.
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cies 10y ago
> People haven't yet realised that it's not [some dividing topic] but rather corporations versus the people. Maybe you should try to meet some socialists. But the authoritarian ones (like Marx) and the anti-authoritarian ones (like Peter Kropotkin, Emma Goldman and Murray Bookchin) have written many books on the topic of class-struggle.

by praptak 10y ago

simion314 10y ago

I agree with the limits in campaigns, I am not from US and here too lot of money it is spent in campaigns and after election the politicians must pay the money back with favors, so IMO no limits encourages corruption, and the money spent on campaigns could be used in a better way.

bigtimeidiot 10y ago

>People haven't yet realised Thankfully we have enlightened people among us to guide the sheep, right? >that it's not EU versus US versus China but rather corporations versus the people Corporations have zero ability to act by themselves. So where do you propose to draw the between the "corporation team" and the "people team"?

jessaustin 10y ago
Viruses and mad dogs also have little innate volition. We still put them down, if we can.
dang 10y ago
> Thankfully we have enlightened people among us to guide the sheep, right? Please don't do this here. If another comment takes a wrong turn, going further that way doesn't help. Instead, please help the thread self-correct by posting more substantively.

ciq_steve 10y ago

3M, Activision and Alaska Air Group (3 S&P 500 companies) are a bigger threats than the government? I'd venture to say between corporations and governments 99% of 'bad things' that have happened in the last century were at the hands of governments. A few world wars is a good starting place. The idea that governments are benevolent overseers of the common good is what is bullshit. Those in government are as self-interested (if not more) as any other group (lawyers, plumbers, etc). The last thing the rich want to do is kow-tow to a bunch of politicians, but the reality is they have to because one poorly conceived law or regulation can do real harm to a business. You have to pay to be at the table to do the best you can to prevent this. Politicians demand $$$$ to be at that table. I've seen this first hand.

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jessaustin 10y ago

...the solution to the particular problem of the rich owning Congress isn't breaking multinationals but rather limits on campaign donations... That's so cute. If only this super-powerful threat to humanity could be directed toward the good rather than the banal, all would be well! Bullshit. The threat itself is the problem, not who is temporarily at the reins. In fact this whole myth of "if we vote hard enough it will work this time!" was created by those who want to perpetuate the monster, so that they may profit by it.

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cies 10y ago

> People haven't yet realised that it's not [some dividing topic] but rather corporations versus the people. Maybe you should try to meet some socialists. But the authoritarian ones (like Marx) and the anti-authoritarian ones (like Peter Kropotkin, Emma Goldman and Murray Bookchin) have written many books on the topic of class-struggle.