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Burnout is a psychological state of being over worked and underpaid/appreciated. Decrease chance of burnout by exponentially increasing pay. Another way to av

Burnout is a psychological state of being over worked and underpaid/appreciated. Decrease chance of burnout by exponentially increasing pay. Another way to avoid burnout is having multiple income streams and therefore being able to tell anyone to shove it on a moments notice. Take note everyone, this is why you want multiple income streams and is a worthy goal. I used to burn out for 120k/year pay when required to work 70 hour weeks. Now I work 80+ hour weeks and get paid almost triple. In control of my destiny and can drop any one client/customer/employer within 2 seconds if they look at me the wrong way.

Jimmed 9y ago
I think you're operating under a false assumption that everyone in this discussion gains their sense of being appreciated directly from their income. I strongly disagree with this viewpoint - you can throw as much money as you want at someone, and it might stop them complaining for a bit, but it's not fixing the problem. You can't stop arterial bleeding by wrapping more bandages around the wound.
- sauronlord 9y ago
  It will fix the problem. Burnout is the state of being overworked/underpaid and lacking autonomy agency (because one made bad life choices to support a family, debts, limited mobility). Most people feel like they are poor little artifacts in a cruel machine or world. That attitude, coupled with low pay and a lacking personal Mission is the reason for burnout.
Broken_Hippo 9y ago
Now, the alternative view. I despise 10 hour days. I can't have a life outside of work if I work such days, 5 days a week. Forget 80 hour workweeks: I'd never take the job. When do I have time to do artwork, spend with my family, or explore the place I live? Simple answer, I don't. Heck, I hated not being able to take 2 weeks off in one chunk, and felt lucky I got that much time. If you really enjoy the job you are doing, feel appreciated and are decently good at it - it might not be so bad. Unfortunately, I have never found this at a job. At the end of the day, I'm still working for a relative pittance and hate that I have to work. Fuck the folks that want to take my entire life away from me.
- sauronlord 9y ago
  You would work 1-2 years and retire for rest of your life. Then you can focus on your art and passions.
  - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
    If such a place actually pays that much, sure - but at that point, I'm making well over 6 figures. Most jobs in Indiana were paying less than 100k and still requiring 60-80 hour workweeks. The odds might be better than the lottery, but they are still pretty astronomical.
    - sauronlord 9y ago
      The odds of winning the lottery are better than improving yourself and taking control of the value you provide to people?
      - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
        Improving yourself is a different thing: That's free, and I can use my free time to do that. And I do. The value I provide people? That's a weird thing to look at. I mean, I don't generally cause people issues at a workplace and I make sure I do whatever I am doing for work to the best of my ability. I like to make others' jobs easier as well when possible. That's just standard operating procedure. But lets face it: Most jobs pay average pay for their field. Most average pay isn't exactly "get rich" pay. The odds of getting really high pay - the sorts that would make me retire early - are even fewer, especially the sort that don't expect years of 60-80 hour workweeks to get to that point. These are the jobs that have astronomical odds to land, especially if you are in your late 30's now. Not quite lotto odds, but still bad enough not to bet your life on. Most times, it just doesn't seem worth it. And to tell you the truth, if this were something I wanted, I'd not have moved to Norway. I'm not a skilled worker, and though I've taken a couple of years of language courses, my options are limited. On the other hand, I enjoy the hell out of my life - which is all I really wanted anyway. Value I provide people? Psh. I can volunteer to spend time with elderly folks that want company. Still fufilling without having to give up my entire life.

Jimmed 9y ago

I think you're operating under a false assumption that everyone in this discussion gains their sense of being appreciated directly from their income. I strongly disagree with this viewpoint - you can throw as much money as you want at someone, and it might stop them complaining for a bit, but it's not fixing the problem. You can't stop arterial bleeding by wrapping more bandages around the wound.

sauronlord 9y ago
It will fix the problem. Burnout is the state of being overworked/underpaid and lacking autonomy agency (because one made bad life choices to support a family, debts, limited mobility). Most people feel like they are poor little artifacts in a cruel machine or world. That attitude, coupled with low pay and a lacking personal Mission is the reason for burnout.

Broken_Hippo 9y ago

Now, the alternative view. I despise 10 hour days. I can't have a life outside of work if I work such days, 5 days a week. Forget 80 hour workweeks: I'd never take the job. When do I have time to do artwork, spend with my family, or explore the place I live? Simple answer, I don't. Heck, I hated not being able to take 2 weeks off in one chunk, and felt lucky I got that much time. If you really enjoy the job you are doing, feel appreciated and are decently good at it - it might not be so bad. Unfortunately, I have never found this at a job. At the end of the day, I'm still working for a relative pittance and hate that I have to work. Fuck the folks that want to take my entire life away from me.

sauronlord 9y ago
You would work 1-2 years and retire for rest of your life. Then you can focus on your art and passions.
- Broken_Hippo 9y ago
  If such a place actually pays that much, sure - but at that point, I'm making well over 6 figures. Most jobs in Indiana were paying less than 100k and still requiring 60-80 hour workweeks. The odds might be better than the lottery, but they are still pretty astronomical.
  - sauronlord 9y ago
    The odds of winning the lottery are better than improving yourself and taking control of the value you provide to people?
    - Broken_Hippo 9y ago
      Improving yourself is a different thing: That's free, and I can use my free time to do that. And I do. The value I provide people? That's a weird thing to look at. I mean, I don't generally cause people issues at a workplace and I make sure I do whatever I am doing for work to the best of my ability. I like to make others' jobs easier as well when possible. That's just standard operating procedure. But lets face it: Most jobs pay average pay for their field. Most average pay isn't exactly "get rich" pay. The odds of getting really high pay - the sorts that would make me retire early - are even fewer, especially the sort that don't expect years of 60-80 hour workweeks to get to that point. These are the jobs that have astronomical odds to land, especially if you are in your late 30's now. Not quite lotto odds, but still bad enough not to bet your life on. Most times, it just doesn't seem worth it. And to tell you the truth, if this were something I wanted, I'd not have moved to Norway. I'm not a skilled worker, and though I've taken a couple of years of language courses, my options are limited. On the other hand, I enjoy the hell out of my life - which is all I really wanted anyway. Value I provide people? Psh. I can volunteer to spend time with elderly folks that want company. Still fufilling without having to give up my entire life.