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LED bulbs cause problems. In outdoor lighting they are too bright, and over-illuminate at night, but people use them anyway. They just turn them on, walk away,

LED bulbs cause problems. In outdoor lighting they are too bright, and over-illuminate at night, but people use them anyway. They just turn them on, walk away, and blast their surroundings with obnoxious, eye-gouging light bulbs. Especially construction crews, that install cheap temporary utility lights. Many people install them in places where the lights point away from them, and outward at their surroundings, such that they don't have to suffer the excessive brightness. It's like subjecting oncoming traffic to your car's extra bright high-beams, except it's the house across the street, and it never goes away. It's bad enough that vandalism is warranted. Outdoor LED lights are that bad.

brownbat 10y ago
> In outdoor lighting they are too bright, and over-illuminate at night, but people use them anyway. I couldn't disagree more. Not only can you control the lumens to a much finer extent, as more cities retrofit to LEDs, you're seeing better illumination with less distortion and far lower light pollution. There are striking images[0,2] from the LA Bureau of Streetlighting[1] that have made the rounds at a lot of lighting shows to prove this point, after they conducted the world's largest LED retrofit. The Bureau got praise from the Dark Skies movement for reducing light pollution while increasing pedestrian safety and lowering energy costs.[1] You might find a few in Hollywood that are nostalgic for the hazy yellows of sodium, but most photographers are really struck by the improvement, "in nearly every case, better for cinematography."[2] EDIT - On second read, you seem to be referring to the specific case of neighbors who don't understand how many lumens they need. It is easier to crank them up on LEDs, that's true. But that's really a problem with people installing high-lumens for no reason. They could as well install incandescent spotlights and be equally noxious. LEDs in general have so many upsides, attacking them broadly seems like throwing the baby out to spite your face. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurelmoglen/2017/03/15/eben-bayer-harnessing-mushroom-power-to-eradicate-plastics/#2015ddee7eef https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurelmoglen/2017/03/15/eben-ba... [1] http://bsl.lacity.org/led.html http://bsl.lacity.org/led.html [2] http://nofilmschool.com/2014/02/why-hollywood-will-never-look-the-same-again-on-film-leds-in-la-ny http://nofilmschool.com/2014/02/why-hollywood-will-never-loo...
- wutbrodo 10y ago
  Is your [0] link correct? I'm getting "Eben Bayer, harnessing mushroom power to eradicate plastics".
  - brownbat 10y ago
    Nope, sure isn't! Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/07/31/los-angeles-completes-worlds-largest-led-street-light-retrofit/#318b529a1f6e https://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/07/31/los-ang...
- pavement 10y ago
  Well gee, you sure told me. I disagree, despite your citations.
  - brownbat 9y ago
    > Well gee, you sure told me. Huh, wasn't trying to tell you off or anything. Malkmus reference?
unit91 10y ago
Light is a crime deterrent, so I use LED porch lights and live next to a street lamp. One night, all my neighbors had their cars broken into, but the 2 I had parked in the driveway weren't touched. Your neighbors may have the same mindset.

brownbat 10y ago

> In outdoor lighting they are too bright, and over-illuminate at night, but people use them anyway. I couldn't disagree more. Not only can you control the lumens to a much finer extent, as more cities retrofit to LEDs, you're seeing better illumination with less distortion and far lower light pollution. There are striking images[0,2] from the LA Bureau of Streetlighting[1] that have made the rounds at a lot of lighting shows to prove this point, after they conducted the world's largest LED retrofit. The Bureau got praise from the Dark Skies movement for reducing light pollution while increasing pedestrian safety and lowering energy costs.[1] You might find a few in Hollywood that are nostalgic for the hazy yellows of sodium, but most photographers are really struck by the improvement, "in nearly every case, better for cinematography."[2] EDIT - On second read, you seem to be referring to the specific case of neighbors who don't understand how many lumens they need. It is easier to crank them up on LEDs, that's true. But that's really a problem with people installing high-lumens for no reason. They could as well install incandescent spotlights and be equally noxious. LEDs in general have so many upsides, attacking them broadly seems like throwing the baby out to spite your face. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurelmoglen/2017/03/15/eben-bayer-harnessing-mushroom-power-to-eradicate-plastics/#2015ddee7eef https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurelmoglen/2017/03/15/eben-ba... [1] http://bsl.lacity.org/led.html http://bsl.lacity.org/led.html [2] http://nofilmschool.com/2014/02/why-hollywood-will-never-look-the-same-again-on-film-leds-in-la-ny http://nofilmschool.com/2014/02/why-hollywood-will-never-loo...

wutbrodo 10y ago
Is your [0] link correct? I'm getting "Eben Bayer, harnessing mushroom power to eradicate plastics".
- brownbat 10y ago
  Nope, sure isn't! Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/07/31/los-angeles-completes-worlds-largest-led-street-light-retrofit/#318b529a1f6e https://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/07/31/los-ang...
pavement 10y ago
Well gee, you sure told me. I disagree, despite your citations.
- brownbat 9y ago
  > Well gee, you sure told me. Huh, wasn't trying to tell you off or anything. Malkmus reference?

unit91 10y ago

Light is a crime deterrent, so I use LED porch lights and live next to a street lamp. One night, all my neighbors had their cars broken into, but the 2 I had parked in the driveway weren't touched. Your neighbors may have the same mindset.