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I'm not sure of the legal terms but it's private in the same way that Disneyland or a store in the mall is private. There's a lot of people there but they obvio

by tdb7893 10y ago

I'm not sure of the legal terms but it's private in the same way that Disneyland or a store in the mall is private. There's a lot of people there but they obviously have the right to arbitrarily evict you. I've been kicked out of a store for just being too loud before

EliRivers 10y ago
It's private property. Which does not automatically make it private space. As I recall, part of the definition in at least one set of law involves whether or not it's reasonable to expect members of the public to be there without explicit invitation. There's a lot of people there but they obviously have the right to arbitrarily evict you. That's just plain not true. There are reasons why people can be asked to leave; those reasons are curtailed. There are unacceptable reasons to kick someone out. You may not arbitrarily evict people. If you evict someone for the wrong reason, you may have committed a crime. Obviously I'm talking about US law; in other places, other rules apply. While I'm here, just because it's one of my favourite legal misunderstandings, putting something in a contract doesn't necessarily make it legally binding. But that one's just for fun.
- tdb7893 10y ago
  If your reason is discriminatory you can't evict someone but kicking someone off to make room for an employee isn't illegal at all
  - EliRivers 10y ago
    I understand that's not true. I understand it is an FAA violation (i.e. breaking the law) to drop someone with a confirmed reservation in favour of an employee. Additionally, what happened was also a violation of the conditions of carriage that the airline had set up. They were breaking their own rules. What makes you say it's not illegal? Perhaps I'm reading the rules incorrectly.
    - tdb7893 10y ago
      I'm aware of the fact that they can't outright refuse service to most people but I was under the impression that they had some latitude in rescheduling people. EDIT: that article makes sense. I'm obviously not sure on the legalities so I will defer to your understanding of it. I guess this case goes close to home for me because if I had to make the decision between canceling a few whole flights and kicking 4 people off a plane I probably would've done the same thing and I don't think that's unreasonable. I'm all for sticking it to the man but people seem more outraged at the company making a pretty understandible decision when it seems to me the security officer who really made the bad decision and bloodied the guy.
      - EliRivers 10y ago
        Here is a lawyer who took the tobacco companies for billions talking about it: http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/04/david-dao-united-airlines/ http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/04/david-dao-united-airlines/ It's disturbing to see here and elsewhere (not so much you, but certainly others) the degree to which people doff their caps to big business.
      - xbmcuser 10y ago
        Some people did ask for more money to leave which united didn't agree to btw their was no overbooking which airlines can usually stop by not issuing the boarding pass. This was done so that united could send some of its employees to another place. For this they should have done an open auction instead of forcing someone out after issuing them a boarding pass and seating them.

by tdb7893 10y ago

EliRivers 10y ago

It's private property. Which does not automatically make it private space. As I recall, part of the definition in at least one set of law involves whether or not it's reasonable to expect members of the public to be there without explicit invitation. There's a lot of people there but they obviously have the right to arbitrarily evict you. That's just plain not true. There are reasons why people can be asked to leave; those reasons are curtailed. There are unacceptable reasons to kick someone out. You may not arbitrarily evict people. If you evict someone for the wrong reason, you may have committed a crime. Obviously I'm talking about US law; in other places, other rules apply. While I'm here, just because it's one of my favourite legal misunderstandings, putting something in a contract doesn't necessarily make it legally binding. But that one's just for fun.

tdb7893 10y ago
If your reason is discriminatory you can't evict someone but kicking someone off to make room for an employee isn't illegal at all
- EliRivers 10y ago
  I understand that's not true. I understand it is an FAA violation (i.e. breaking the law) to drop someone with a confirmed reservation in favour of an employee. Additionally, what happened was also a violation of the conditions of carriage that the airline had set up. They were breaking their own rules. What makes you say it's not illegal? Perhaps I'm reading the rules incorrectly.
  - tdb7893 10y ago
    I'm aware of the fact that they can't outright refuse service to most people but I was under the impression that they had some latitude in rescheduling people. EDIT: that article makes sense. I'm obviously not sure on the legalities so I will defer to your understanding of it. I guess this case goes close to home for me because if I had to make the decision between canceling a few whole flights and kicking 4 people off a plane I probably would've done the same thing and I don't think that's unreasonable. I'm all for sticking it to the man but people seem more outraged at the company making a pretty understandible decision when it seems to me the security officer who really made the bad decision and bloodied the guy.
    - EliRivers 10y ago
      Here is a lawyer who took the tobacco companies for billions talking about it: http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/04/david-dao-united-airlines/ http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/04/david-dao-united-airlines/ It's disturbing to see here and elsewhere (not so much you, but certainly others) the degree to which people doff their caps to big business.
    - xbmcuser 10y ago
      Some people did ask for more money to leave which united didn't agree to btw their was no overbooking which airlines can usually stop by not issuing the boarding pass. This was done so that united could send some of its employees to another place. For this they should have done an open auction instead of forcing someone out after issuing them a boarding pass and seating them.