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what you said is a total non-sequitur. the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue. to use the sha

what you said is a total non-sequitur. the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue. to use the shamanic model, this would be a person who has not been properly guided through a spiritual transformation and therefore is living in a state of painful unintegrated delusional paranoia. a shaman's job would be to help them complete that transformation and cease their antisocial behavior.

johnchristopher 10y ago
> the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue Exactly. It's not a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  I don't see the difference. What is mental health treatment besides "significant transformation in consciousness"?
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    What is sleeping besides "significant transformation in consciousness" ? Seriously, « That what we sometimes [0] call depression, bi-polar, psychosis, schizophrenia, might actually be a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development [1]. » is loaded with so much personal development and alternative medicine red flags I am not surprised the only way to defend it is already to start a word definition war. [0] derogatory wording. Emphasis is mine [1] are we referring to « humanity » or to that « individual » ? The whole sentence reads like it's the former approach.
    - metaphorm 10y ago
      it seems to me like because you have a pre-existing bias against the shamanic model you deliberately use the most uncharitable interpretation possible and conclude, as you were determined to do so from the outset, that the author is both derogatory and making statements beyond the scope of the individual experience. I concluded neither of those things. I don't think we have anything else to discuss. Have a nice day.

johnchristopher 10y ago

> the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue Exactly. It's not a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development.

metaphorm 10y ago
I don't see the difference. What is mental health treatment besides "significant transformation in consciousness"?
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  What is sleeping besides "significant transformation in consciousness" ? Seriously, « That what we sometimes [0] call depression, bi-polar, psychosis, schizophrenia, might actually be a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development [1]. » is loaded with so much personal development and alternative medicine red flags I am not surprised the only way to defend it is already to start a word definition war. [0] derogatory wording. Emphasis is mine [1] are we referring to « humanity » or to that « individual » ? The whole sentence reads like it's the former approach.
  - metaphorm 10y ago
    it seems to me like because you have a pre-existing bias against the shamanic model you deliberately use the most uncharitable interpretation possible and conclude, as you were determined to do so from the outset, that the author is both derogatory and making statements beyond the scope of the individual experience. I concluded neither of those things. I don't think we have anything else to discuss. Have a nice day.