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> That what we sometimes call depression, bi-polar, psychosis, schizophrenia, might actually be a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary s

> That what we sometimes call depression, bi-polar, psychosis, schizophrenia, might actually be a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development. Right. You'll tell that to the guy who put me on a police watch list and cost me a job opportunity because he reported me (and two other persons) for computer fraud and illegal access to his computers. Because he thought he had seen photographies of his sister's wedding on my computer screen. And I was hand in hand with koreans forcing him to sleep so they can launch missiles over Japan. /anger tldr; Nope, mental illness such as bpd, schiz., etc., are illnesses that have real consequences.

metaphorm 10y ago
what you said is a total non-sequitur. the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue. to use the shamanic model, this would be a person who has not been properly guided through a spiritual transformation and therefore is living in a state of painful unintegrated delusional paranoia. a shaman's job would be to help them complete that transformation and cease their antisocial behavior.
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  > the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue Exactly. It's not a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development.
  - metaphorm 10y ago
    I don't see the difference. What is mental health treatment besides "significant transformation in consciousness"?
    - johnchristopher 10y ago
      What is sleeping besides "significant transformation in consciousness" ? Seriously, « That what we sometimes [0] call depression, bi-polar, psychosis, schizophrenia, might actually be a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development [1]. » is loaded with so much personal development and alternative medicine red flags I am not surprised the only way to defend it is already to start a word definition war. [0] derogatory wording. Emphasis is mine [1] are we referring to « humanity » or to that « individual » ? The whole sentence reads like it's the former approach.
      - metaphorm 10y ago
        it seems to me like because you have a pre-existing bias against the shamanic model you deliberately use the most uncharitable interpretation possible and conclude, as you were determined to do so from the outset, that the author is both derogatory and making statements beyond the scope of the individual experience. I concluded neither of those things. I don't think we have anything else to discuss. Have a nice day.

metaphorm 10y ago

what you said is a total non-sequitur. the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue. to use the shamanic model, this would be a person who has not been properly guided through a spiritual transformation and therefore is living in a state of painful unintegrated delusional paranoia. a shaman's job would be to help them complete that transformation and cease their antisocial behavior.

johnchristopher 10y ago
> the antisocial behavior of the person who harassed you is a result of poorly treated mental health issue Exactly. It's not a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  I don't see the difference. What is mental health treatment besides "significant transformation in consciousness"?
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    What is sleeping besides "significant transformation in consciousness" ? Seriously, « That what we sometimes [0] call depression, bi-polar, psychosis, schizophrenia, might actually be a significant transformation in consciousness and a necessary stage on the path of human development [1]. » is loaded with so much personal development and alternative medicine red flags I am not surprised the only way to defend it is already to start a word definition war. [0] derogatory wording. Emphasis is mine [1] are we referring to « humanity » or to that « individual » ? The whole sentence reads like it's the former approach.
    - metaphorm 10y ago
      it seems to me like because you have a pre-existing bias against the shamanic model you deliberately use the most uncharitable interpretation possible and conclude, as you were determined to do so from the outset, that the author is both derogatory and making statements beyond the scope of the individual experience. I concluded neither of those things. I don't think we have anything else to discuss. Have a nice day.