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> There is actually another option -- especially with respect to herbicides: manual labour. Wouldn't organic herbicides containing Nonanoic (Pelargonic) acid [

> There is actually another option -- especially with respect to herbicides: manual labour. Wouldn't organic herbicides containing Nonanoic (Pelargonic) acid [1], vinegar [2] or salt [3] also be options? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonanoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonanoic_acid [2] http://weedicide.co.uk/does-vinegar-kill-weeds/ http://weedicide.co.uk/does-vinegar-kill-weeds/ [3] http://weedicide.co.uk/salt-kill-weeds-herbicide/ http://weedicide.co.uk/salt-kill-weeds-herbicide/

cmdrfred 10y ago
If you engineer a crop that is resistant to salt sure.
Broken_Hippo 10y ago
I've personally looked into some of these things, and have read quite a few warnings about both salt and vinegar. Improperly used, they can ruin the soil and render it barren. I'm not sure of the truth of this, but it was enough to make me just use manual labor at home (in other words, my garden was half weeds since I rarely did it). The larger the scale of application, however, the worse they seem to perform. [1] Salt, interestingly enough, still requires some protection so you aren't inahling it nor getting it in your eyes. [2] Just because things are natural or traditional doesn't make them necessarily better than the chemicals we are dealing with now, even with their present downsides. [1]http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2014/06/salt-vinegar-and-glyphosate/ http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2014/06/salt-vinegar-and-glypho... [2] http://weedicide.co.uk/salt-kill-weeds-herbicide/ http://weedicide.co.uk/salt-kill-weeds-herbicide/
- baldfat 10y ago
  > Just because things are natural or traditional doesn't make them necessarily better than the chemicals we are dealing with now a) cyanide is 100% natural so is snake venom so is that better then you? b) Everything is a chemical. Salt is Sodium chloride (NaCl) has it certainly does destroy the soil. If you don't like someone try dumping some salt into their garden. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/environmental/salt-injury-to-plants.htm https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/environmenta...
  - Broken_Hippo 10y ago
    My point exactly :)

cmdrfred 10y ago

If you engineer a crop that is resistant to salt sure.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago

I've personally looked into some of these things, and have read quite a few warnings about both salt and vinegar. Improperly used, they can ruin the soil and render it barren. I'm not sure of the truth of this, but it was enough to make me just use manual labor at home (in other words, my garden was half weeds since I rarely did it). The larger the scale of application, however, the worse they seem to perform. [1] Salt, interestingly enough, still requires some protection so you aren't inahling it nor getting it in your eyes. [2] Just because things are natural or traditional doesn't make them necessarily better than the chemicals we are dealing with now, even with their present downsides. [1]http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2014/06/salt-vinegar-and-glyphosate/ http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2014/06/salt-vinegar-and-glypho... [2] http://weedicide.co.uk/salt-kill-weeds-herbicide/ http://weedicide.co.uk/salt-kill-weeds-herbicide/

baldfat 10y ago
> Just because things are natural or traditional doesn't make them necessarily better than the chemicals we are dealing with now a) cyanide is 100% natural so is snake venom so is that better then you? b) Everything is a chemical. Salt is Sodium chloride (NaCl) has it certainly does destroy the soil. If you don't like someone try dumping some salt into their garden. https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/environmental/salt-injury-to-plants.htm https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/environmenta...
- Broken_Hippo 10y ago
  My point exactly :)