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Cars kill people. At worst current IoT let a pirate control your light bulbs, see your heart beat or record your sleep patterns, waste your food and listen to y

Cars kill people. At worst current IoT let a pirate control your light bulbs, see your heart beat or record your sleep patterns, waste your food and listen to your music. This won't interest anyone. For this to start seriously motivating people, you'll need: - even more numerous DDOS, with more expensive consequences. Companies are affected so they act. - scandals with naked people, preferably famous ones or underage, or both. People that gets the medias talking. - money stolen. A lot, to bother insurances. - people dying. Scaring the public always work. E.G: fire started by pirated IoT device. Otherwise nobody is gona bat an eye. We don't live in a world were most companies do the right thing because it's the right right. Remember that tobacco companies use to run ads to show you how cool your life is with cigarettes while lobbying the congress to state how non dangerous for health it was. Remember that people are putting their entire life on systems with text analysis, geolocation and face recognition and they don't see the big deal out of it. Remember that the government spies on every citizen, considers it perfectly acceptable, and that the citizen let it to. So really, the fact that your connected fridge has an open telnet port is not going to move anyone. You need damage done to get a reaction. Not potential damage.

flukus 10y ago
> Cars kill people. At worst current IoT let a pirate control your light bulbs, see your heart beat or record your sleep patterns, waste your food and listen to your music. Once you're home network is compromised it's much easier to infect other computers on it, a lot of IT people don't even run firewalls on PC's anymore. We largely rely on a single line of defense for home cyber security. A compromised device becomes a launch pad for a bunch of other attacks, like data collection and credit card theft. Imagine how many pedophile rings would love to remotely watch kids using a built in webcam? All without the family ever knowing. Or you could simply use them to stream illegal torrents.
- sametmax 10y ago
  I said "Cars kill people", not "cars could kill people". You are talking about potential. People don't care about that. Potential that I mentioned by the way, with "scandals with naked people, preferably famous ones or underage, or both." They will care only once pedophiles will have watched THEIR kids using their web cam. Repeatedly. With media coverage. Not before.
  - flukus 10y ago
    That was more about what lax security could do, which you were downplaying as nothing significant.
  - rapsey 10y ago
    > You are talking about potential. People don't care about that. What people care about is irrelevant. What should be legislated for the better of all is another matter. Car safety laws were unpopular with a lot of regular people as well.
    - sametmax 10y ago
      That's fair but it was because dead people cost money.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    If cars were a new technology today, two-way highways without center dividers would not exist.
- mirimir 10y ago
  > Imagine how many pedophile rings would love to remotely watch kids using a built in webcam? Already happening. Access to webcams is sold on dark markets.
  - inetknght 10y ago
    If you know of it, then report it. Otherwise you're allowing it to exist. If you don't know if it, then this is some fancy way of slashing up FUD about IoT.
    - mirimir 10y ago
      As I recall, these were Tor onion service gateways. Victims weren't identified. And dark markets generally have an extremely laissez faire attitude toward such matters. So there's nothing to report, and nobody to report it to. If you have IoT devices, it's prudent to periodically scan for connections to the Tor network. Tor Project provides a comprehensive list of relays. A clever adversary can use unpublished bridges, however. But you'll still see traffic to unexpected IPs.
omginternets 10y ago
>Cars kill people. Two words: "national security"
- _pmf_ 10y ago
  > Two words: "national security" The NSA is the number one hoarder of exploits, so this argument is very weak.
spangry 10y ago
At worst, current IoT devices can be used to remotely murder someone. Or to indiscriminately massacre anybody using one of these devices unlucky enough to come within range of a rouge transmitter: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/05/animas_diabetes_pump_flaw/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/05/animas_diabetes_pum...
mschuster91 10y ago
> Cars kill people. At worst current IoT let a pirate control your light bulbs, see your heart beat or record your sleep patterns, waste your food and listen to your music. This won't interest anyone. The IoS (Internet of Shxt) goes way beyond light bulbs, and in fact it has been around for ages. There are all kinds of really dangerous devices connected to the Internet - power stations, gas distribution centers, robotic stuff in factories. Each of these three can easily kill or severely injure persons when hacked by someone with this intention. Remember Stuxnet?

flukus 10y ago

> Cars kill people. At worst current IoT let a pirate control your light bulbs, see your heart beat or record your sleep patterns, waste your food and listen to your music. Once you're home network is compromised it's much easier to infect other computers on it, a lot of IT people don't even run firewalls on PC's anymore. We largely rely on a single line of defense for home cyber security. A compromised device becomes a launch pad for a bunch of other attacks, like data collection and credit card theft. Imagine how many pedophile rings would love to remotely watch kids using a built in webcam? All without the family ever knowing. Or you could simply use them to stream illegal torrents.

sametmax 10y ago
I said "Cars kill people", not "cars could kill people". You are talking about potential. People don't care about that. Potential that I mentioned by the way, with "scandals with naked people, preferably famous ones or underage, or both." They will care only once pedophiles will have watched THEIR kids using their web cam. Repeatedly. With media coverage. Not before.
- flukus 10y ago
  That was more about what lax security could do, which you were downplaying as nothing significant.
- rapsey 10y ago
  > You are talking about potential. People don't care about that. What people care about is irrelevant. What should be legislated for the better of all is another matter. Car safety laws were unpopular with a lot of regular people as well.
  - sametmax 10y ago
    That's fair but it was because dead people cost money.
- mirimir 10y ago
  If cars were a new technology today, two-way highways without center dividers would not exist.
mirimir 10y ago
> Imagine how many pedophile rings would love to remotely watch kids using a built in webcam? Already happening. Access to webcams is sold on dark markets.
- inetknght 10y ago
  If you know of it, then report it. Otherwise you're allowing it to exist. If you don't know if it, then this is some fancy way of slashing up FUD about IoT.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    As I recall, these were Tor onion service gateways. Victims weren't identified. And dark markets generally have an extremely laissez faire attitude toward such matters. So there's nothing to report, and nobody to report it to. If you have IoT devices, it's prudent to periodically scan for connections to the Tor network. Tor Project provides a comprehensive list of relays. A clever adversary can use unpublished bridges, however. But you'll still see traffic to unexpected IPs.

omginternets 10y ago

>Cars kill people. Two words: "national security"

_pmf_ 10y ago
> Two words: "national security" The NSA is the number one hoarder of exploits, so this argument is very weak.

spangry 10y ago

At worst, current IoT devices can be used to remotely murder someone. Or to indiscriminately massacre anybody using one of these devices unlucky enough to come within range of a rouge transmitter: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/05/animas_diabetes_pump_flaw/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/05/animas_diabetes_pum...

mschuster91 10y ago

> Cars kill people. At worst current IoT let a pirate control your light bulbs, see your heart beat or record your sleep patterns, waste your food and listen to your music. This won't interest anyone. The IoS (Internet of Shxt) goes way beyond light bulbs, and in fact it has been around for ages. There are all kinds of really dangerous devices connected to the Internet - power stations, gas distribution centers, robotic stuff in factories. Each of these three can easily kill or severely injure persons when hacked by someone with this intention. Remember Stuxnet?