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It's not clear to me that the police even did anything wrong in this case either. The passenger was going absolutely apeshit and it looked like he bashed his ow

by zzrg 9y ago

It's not clear to me that the police even did anything wrong in this case either. The passenger was going absolutely apeshit and it looked like he bashed his own head into the adjacent seatrest. I'm certainly no fanboy of United, but in this case it doesn't seem like they, or the airport police, did anything particularly wrong. [edit] I suppose I should expect the downvotes to continue flowing for this comment. If you do downvote, please also explain exactly who you think made the mistake, and where. Thanks!

sitepodmatt 9y ago
Perhaps. From the video I watched I cant tell if he was given clear warning from the officer that he would be literally be physically uplifted and removed. Also once in the aisle would it of been possible to bring the person to his feet, or at least two people carry him, I don't know. Also seems a police failure that he was able to make it onto the airplane for a second time, again its not clear from report if this is the time the drama ensued.
Mithaldu 9y ago
They were airport police and should be familiar with the rules and regulations. This was not a case of overbooking. Laws and rules differ in this case from the lies peddled by UA and media. They didn't have legal authority to remove him in the first place. They could've done a lot of things better before assaulting him, but i don't think after that initial fact any further are necessary.
- mtanski 9y ago
  In my high school law and government class our teacher taught us that runof the mill cops rarely know the law. Also taught us that pointing out the law to the same cops was rarely going to lead to a satisfactory result. Also taught us to generally not let the cops into one's home and not speak to them without a lawyer (outside of you filling a police report). What I though was going to be a useless required class ended up being quite educational. The class was quite eye opening for somebody who just moved to this country 3 years prior.
dsr_ 9y ago
Not downvoting, just advancing a theory: when the police are acting like hired thugs, all damage to persons and property is their fault.
braveo 9y ago
This is something I've seen several people not seem to understand. A large part of why people are upset about it isn't just the physical brutality, it's the act of FORCIBLY removing someone from a plane after they've: 1. paid 2. boarded 3. spent all the time going through customs, etc. The fact that he got brutalized, even if it was not purposeful, is secondary. If you read through this very thread you'll see most of the commentary isn't centered around his injuries, but around UA's decision to forcibly remove him after boarding.
- zzrg 9y ago
  What should they have done instead?
  - chrisbennet 9y ago
    United should have offered more $ to get people to volunteer. Saying that they couldn't get volunteers is like saying you can't hire developers - you can get either if you offer the market rate. Instead, United decided to use muscle instead of compensating customers for what was United's mistake.
    - zzrg 9y ago
      I don't think the level of moral outrage you're expressing is commensurate with the position "the only thing United did wrong was setting their cap for overbooked flight compensation too low." And in any case, that cap is set by the department of transportation.
      - chrisbennet 9y ago
        The "cap" is a limit on how much the airline must pay, not on how much they can pay in order to involuntarily dis-board a passenger. There was nothing stopping them from paying the passenger who "bid" $1600 to solve the problem they created in the first place.
        9y ago

by zzrg 9y ago

sitepodmatt 9y ago

Perhaps. From the video I watched I cant tell if he was given clear warning from the officer that he would be literally be physically uplifted and removed. Also once in the aisle would it of been possible to bring the person to his feet, or at least two people carry him, I don't know. Also seems a police failure that he was able to make it onto the airplane for a second time, again its not clear from report if this is the time the drama ensued.

Mithaldu 9y ago

They were airport police and should be familiar with the rules and regulations. This was not a case of overbooking. Laws and rules differ in this case from the lies peddled by UA and media. They didn't have legal authority to remove him in the first place. They could've done a lot of things better before assaulting him, but i don't think after that initial fact any further are necessary.

mtanski 9y ago
In my high school law and government class our teacher taught us that runof the mill cops rarely know the law. Also taught us that pointing out the law to the same cops was rarely going to lead to a satisfactory result. Also taught us to generally not let the cops into one's home and not speak to them without a lawyer (outside of you filling a police report). What I though was going to be a useless required class ended up being quite educational. The class was quite eye opening for somebody who just moved to this country 3 years prior.

dsr_ 9y ago

Not downvoting, just advancing a theory: when the police are acting like hired thugs, all damage to persons and property is their fault.

braveo 9y ago

This is something I've seen several people not seem to understand. A large part of why people are upset about it isn't just the physical brutality, it's the act of FORCIBLY removing someone from a plane after they've: 1. paid 2. boarded 3. spent all the time going through customs, etc. The fact that he got brutalized, even if it was not purposeful, is secondary. If you read through this very thread you'll see most of the commentary isn't centered around his injuries, but around UA's decision to forcibly remove him after boarding.

zzrg 9y ago
What should they have done instead?
- chrisbennet 9y ago
  United should have offered more $ to get people to volunteer. Saying that they couldn't get volunteers is like saying you can't hire developers - you can get either if you offer the market rate. Instead, United decided to use muscle instead of compensating customers for what was United's mistake.
  - zzrg 9y ago
    I don't think the level of moral outrage you're expressing is commensurate with the position "the only thing United did wrong was setting their cap for overbooked flight compensation too low." And in any case, that cap is set by the department of transportation.
    - chrisbennet 9y ago
      The "cap" is a limit on how much the airline must pay, not on how much they can pay in order to involuntarily dis-board a passenger. There was nothing stopping them from paying the passenger who "bid" $1600 to solve the problem they created in the first place.
      - 9y ago