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I agree that an equally qualified woman should be compensated the same as a man. What I fail to understand is why anyone cares that the tech industry has more m

by wooshy 9y ago

I agree that an equally qualified woman should be compensated the same as a man. What I fail to understand is why anyone cares that the tech industry has more males than females. If more males are interested in working with technology than females are then of course there will be more males in the industry. Why do people see this as some kind of problem that needs to be fixed? I understand that having a diverse team brings different viewpoints that might allow for solutions to be found that may not have been found without that other viewpoint. Is that all that this is about? (besides pay differences)

alphapapa 9y ago
> I understand that having a diverse team brings different viewpoints that might allow for solutions to be found that may not have been found without that other viewpoint. Is that all that this is about? That is an ostensible reason. Another is to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers in tech. The other possible reasons are not allowed to be discussed here.
- lj3 9y ago
  > That is an ostensible reason. Another is to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers in tech. Where's the social movement to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers as coal miners? That's a male dominated field that is surprisingly lucrative.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    > Where's the social movement to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers as coal miners? Did you search? Because it's the first fucking hit on any search engine: https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ Here's a comment from 2 years ago on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9227796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9227796
    - lj3 9y ago
      In the US?
      - rabbyte 9y ago
        So this sort of thing for women in tech isn't going too far if a similar thing is happening to coal miners very specifically in the US? Where was this going?
scandox 9y ago
> If more males are interested in working with technology than females You put the "If" at the beginning of that sentence. It's a big "If". Imagine if that's just not true. Then just keep imagining that.
- 824ueirwfjd 9y ago
  ? imagine if it's not true? the numbers say that it is true...
  - sluggg 9y ago
    Don't you agree that the numbers are the way they are because of cultural stereotypes? If there were more female tech role models that females with a budding interest in tech can look up to, that would move the needle. I don't think you can simply say "look men are more interested in tech than women" and wipe your hands of the situation. We have to change our culture in order for more women to excel and therefore become role models for the next generation.
    - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
      > Don't you agree that the numbers are the way they are because of cultural stereotypes? Partly because of cultural stereotypes. And partly because there actually are differences between males and females. The part that's because of cultural stereotypes, yes, we should fight. And the part that isn't, we should accept.
      - 824ueirwfjd 9y ago
        +1
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  And what if reality differs from what I'm imagining? Yeah, I know, imagine that reality matches my imagination. But does it?
- 9y ago
Kenji 9y ago
Here's where you went wrong: You tried to understand the reasoning. Nobody cares about whether there are more female florists, or more male miners. The gender drama is one that only pops up in excessively 'progressive' cultures, like the modern tech culture in the US. It seems like people there ran out of bigots, so they just invent new bigots to fill their need to hate a group of people.
- sctb 9y ago
  Would you please stop violating the guidelines like we've asked?
Mz 9y ago
Is that all that this is about? No, this is about the number of women who would like to be included but who remain excluded. That is what this is about. And this piece doesn't really do anything about it. It very much misses the mark. But, of course, people like discussing crap like this. It can feel like they are doing something about it when they aren't actually doing anything at all about it. "Let's measure sexism endlessly, instead of putting time and effort into actually moving those numbers that we talk too damn much about."

by wooshy 9y ago

alphapapa 9y ago

> I understand that having a diverse team brings different viewpoints that might allow for solutions to be found that may not have been found without that other viewpoint. Is that all that this is about? That is an ostensible reason. Another is to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers in tech. The other possible reasons are not allowed to be discussed here.

lj3 9y ago
> That is an ostensible reason. Another is to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers in tech. Where's the social movement to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers as coal miners? That's a male dominated field that is surprisingly lucrative.
- DanBC 9y ago
  > Where's the social movement to correct the inequality caused by societal pressures discouraging women from pursuing careers as coal miners? Did you search? Because it's the first fucking hit on any search engine: https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ https://www.womeninmining.org.uk/ Here's a comment from 2 years ago on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9227796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9227796
  - lj3 9y ago
    In the US?
    - rabbyte 9y ago
      So this sort of thing for women in tech isn't going too far if a similar thing is happening to coal miners very specifically in the US? Where was this going?

scandox 9y ago

> If more males are interested in working with technology than females You put the "If" at the beginning of that sentence. It's a big "If". Imagine if that's just not true. Then just keep imagining that.

824ueirwfjd 9y ago
? imagine if it's not true? the numbers say that it is true...
- sluggg 9y ago
  Don't you agree that the numbers are the way they are because of cultural stereotypes? If there were more female tech role models that females with a budding interest in tech can look up to, that would move the needle. I don't think you can simply say "look men are more interested in tech than women" and wipe your hands of the situation. We have to change our culture in order for more women to excel and therefore become role models for the next generation.
  - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
    > Don't you agree that the numbers are the way they are because of cultural stereotypes? Partly because of cultural stereotypes. And partly because there actually are differences between males and females. The part that's because of cultural stereotypes, yes, we should fight. And the part that isn't, we should accept.
    - 824ueirwfjd 9y ago
      +1
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
And what if reality differs from what I'm imagining? Yeah, I know, imagine that reality matches my imagination. But does it?
9y ago

Kenji 9y ago

Here's where you went wrong: You tried to understand the reasoning. Nobody cares about whether there are more female florists, or more male miners. The gender drama is one that only pops up in excessively 'progressive' cultures, like the modern tech culture in the US. It seems like people there ran out of bigots, so they just invent new bigots to fill their need to hate a group of people.

sctb 9y ago
Would you please stop violating the guidelines like we've asked?

Mz 9y ago

Is that all that this is about? No, this is about the number of women who would like to be included but who remain excluded. That is what this is about. And this piece doesn't really do anything about it. It very much misses the mark. But, of course, people like discussing crap like this. It can feel like they are doing something about it when they aren't actually doing anything at all about it. "Let's measure sexism endlessly, instead of putting time and effort into actually moving those numbers that we talk too damn much about."