I didn't even notice that I used a different term - thanks for pointing that out. And the terms are probably defined differently by significant numbers of peopl

I didn't even notice that I used a different term - thanks for pointing that out. And the terms are probably defined differently by significant numbers of people (compare to "hacker"). So I'll go ahead and agree that there are more than a few liberals out there who seem reasonable to me, and I might even consider myself among them :)