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The thing is today that's what goes with the base of AKP. Political leaders are never stupid, we sometimes believe so because they're doing things weird to us,

by gkya 10y ago

The thing is today that's what goes with the base of AKP. Political leaders are never stupid, we sometimes believe so because they're doing things weird to us, while we are not who they care about at all. On the other hand, nobody really cares about Europe here nowadays, as in more than half a century all they've done is exploit and humiliate us. I, as a secular irreligious turkish citizen, don't want my government to allow that sort of thing no matter what, whichever party should the ruling one be.

NicoJuicy 10y ago
Actually, I think your dead wrong. Watch what happens when you defriend Europe as a partner to your economy. We share a lot ( not the only country though), but if you attack us, we don't need to do anything... People just stop being interested in your country and your economy slips away. No outside Western investments and tourism anymore. I don't know if that's a good thing, but you shouldn't be happy with what Erdogan is doing... Wasn't the last line in a speech of Erdogan: Come visit Turkey. It means that he's scared for losing the benefit of being our friend. Now, I hope you like tourism being partially replaced with 'friendly' Russians :) + Exploiting Turkey? Got real proof? I know for sure Turkey had good economic growth because of the EU, not despite of the EU. Then again, we will know for sure in the coming 5 years of I'm right or wrong. Already Turkey is beginning to slip in negative economic growt and that's not our fault. Erdogan is alienating European civilians
- hrehhf 10y ago
  I think a lot of Turkish citizens, and the Turkish government, are frustrated with the long time it has taken and now they have become ambivalent, feeling like they will never be allowed to join the EU. Its very easy to each side to blame the other, but from the Turkish perspective, there needs to be a concrete timeline for the process. Indeed for several years there are clear problems in Turkey that would block them joining EU, but those problems came up only after Turks became frustrated with the slow accession. As for economic concerns, EU has many trade deals and many EU members would probably be quite happy to have some kind of trade deal without giving Turkey membership, and with how things are today, maybe Turks will just accept that.
  - NicoJuicy 10y ago
    Since what happened to Greece, I think we have to be carefull who we allow. I do agree that it is taking long, Turkey tries to force themselves in the EU. I don't think that's how a future member should act. The EU had been long in the making and a country that can't join in a span of 3 years of isn't bad considered the consequences it has on both sides
    - hrehhf 10y ago
      > ...can't join in a span of 3 years... Turkey first applied for membership to the EU about 30 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Un...
      - NicoJuicy 10y ago
        I do agree, i'm suprised they started 30 years ago. Since Turkey isn't part of Europe. https://www.reference.com/geography/turkey-part-europe-ad085d9b40bb92dd https://www.reference.com/geography/turkey-part-europe-ad085...
        hrehhf 10y ago
        > Since Turkey isn't part of Europe. Ok, this is a completely separate point, which was discussed early on in Turkey's application, but I think the fact that talks have gone on this long indicates that EU officials do consider Turkey to be "close enough" to Europe. Its a bit ambiguous, geographically speaking. UK, Ireland and even Cyprus were accepted into the EU. Georgia, Iceland, and Greenland are all considered possible candidates to join the EU if they want to. [1] (I'm aware that Greenland is a territory of Denmark but officially Greenland is not part of the EU.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU28-further_enlargement_map.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU28-further_enlargement_...
        NicoJuicy 10y ago
        I'm not saying they are not allowed because they aren't in Europe. I wouldn't have thought they considered it since 30 years, since most of Europe or formally EG started with France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany ( and before that the Benelux) Perhaps that's better explained. Ps. Where are you from?

by gkya 10y ago

NicoJuicy 10y ago

Actually, I think your dead wrong. Watch what happens when you defriend Europe as a partner to your economy. We share a lot ( not the only country though), but if you attack us, we don't need to do anything... People just stop being interested in your country and your economy slips away. No outside Western investments and tourism anymore. I don't know if that's a good thing, but you shouldn't be happy with what Erdogan is doing... Wasn't the last line in a speech of Erdogan: Come visit Turkey. It means that he's scared for losing the benefit of being our friend. Now, I hope you like tourism being partially replaced with 'friendly' Russians :) + Exploiting Turkey? Got real proof? I know for sure Turkey had good economic growth because of the EU, not despite of the EU. Then again, we will know for sure in the coming 5 years of I'm right or wrong. Already Turkey is beginning to slip in negative economic growt and that's not our fault. Erdogan is alienating European civilians

hrehhf 10y ago
I think a lot of Turkish citizens, and the Turkish government, are frustrated with the long time it has taken and now they have become ambivalent, feeling like they will never be allowed to join the EU. Its very easy to each side to blame the other, but from the Turkish perspective, there needs to be a concrete timeline for the process. Indeed for several years there are clear problems in Turkey that would block them joining EU, but those problems came up only after Turks became frustrated with the slow accession. As for economic concerns, EU has many trade deals and many EU members would probably be quite happy to have some kind of trade deal without giving Turkey membership, and with how things are today, maybe Turks will just accept that.
- NicoJuicy 10y ago
  Since what happened to Greece, I think we have to be carefull who we allow. I do agree that it is taking long, Turkey tries to force themselves in the EU. I don't think that's how a future member should act. The EU had been long in the making and a country that can't join in a span of 3 years of isn't bad considered the consequences it has on both sides
  - hrehhf 10y ago
    > ...can't join in a span of 3 years... Turkey first applied for membership to the EU about 30 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Un...
    - NicoJuicy 10y ago
      I do agree, i'm suprised they started 30 years ago. Since Turkey isn't part of Europe. https://www.reference.com/geography/turkey-part-europe-ad085d9b40bb92dd https://www.reference.com/geography/turkey-part-europe-ad085...
      - hrehhf 10y ago
        > Since Turkey isn't part of Europe. Ok, this is a completely separate point, which was discussed early on in Turkey's application, but I think the fact that talks have gone on this long indicates that EU officials do consider Turkey to be "close enough" to Europe. Its a bit ambiguous, geographically speaking. UK, Ireland and even Cyprus were accepted into the EU. Georgia, Iceland, and Greenland are all considered possible candidates to join the EU if they want to. [1] (I'm aware that Greenland is a territory of Denmark but officially Greenland is not part of the EU.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU28-further_enlargement_map.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU28-further_enlargement_...
        NicoJuicy 10y ago
        I'm not saying they are not allowed because they aren't in Europe. I wouldn't have thought they considered it since 30 years, since most of Europe or formally EG started with France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany ( and before that the Benelux) Perhaps that's better explained. Ps. Where are you from?