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I feel this way about certifications in general. I work with tons of Microsoft and Cisco certified people and the basic computer science errors they make has be

I feel this way about certifications in general. I work with tons of Microsoft and Cisco certified people and the basic computer science errors they make has be doubting the value of those certifications.

sathackr 9y ago
Simul-post :-) The problem is, you can't tell the difference between the person that did the time, studied, did labs, etc... And the one that downloaded a test answer brain dump and memorized the answers. And even in the case of the former, you can't cram 20 years of knowledge and experience into a certification. I have just an MCITP that I had to get as a job requirement. My employer paid for a 2-week bootcamp. I did very little studying and already knew 90% of what was covered. I have about 10 people around me that have various combinations of certifications and degrees that all use me as a lifeline when they get stumped.
lawnchair_larry 9y ago
Why would cisco people need to know CS? Different fields.
- cmdrfred 9y ago
  I mean simple mistakes, like not understanding that information on an air gapped machine is unknowable to another machine on the network. "If you took the tax id and social from 'airGappedMachine'" "It has no connection to any other machine" "Just query the database" "Store it on a thumbdrive and walk it over? It changes quite often I don't think that's a good workflow" "No, just query it" "How?" "SQL!" Or the classic: "That password only has N characters, I can crack that in Y seconds" "You are the Administrator of that box, you can simply reset the password and do whatever you like." "Yeah but the hackers.... Y seconds" "It's not Y seconds for them, if they already are an Administrator or have read database access it's game over anyway they have to use the API and that locks you out after 3 attempts. Also your are assuming a much easier hashing method than is actually in use." "Yeah but my calculator says Y seconds so it's Y seconds"
  - emmelaich 9y ago
    Classic. This could be the script for one of those animated videos that https://www.youtube.com/user/gar1t https://www.youtube.com/user/gar1t did. Like the "Mongodb is web scale" one.

sathackr 9y ago

Simul-post :-) The problem is, you can't tell the difference between the person that did the time, studied, did labs, etc... And the one that downloaded a test answer brain dump and memorized the answers. And even in the case of the former, you can't cram 20 years of knowledge and experience into a certification. I have just an MCITP that I had to get as a job requirement. My employer paid for a 2-week bootcamp. I did very little studying and already knew 90% of what was covered. I have about 10 people around me that have various combinations of certifications and degrees that all use me as a lifeline when they get stumped.

lawnchair_larry 9y ago

Why would cisco people need to know CS? Different fields.

cmdrfred 9y ago
I mean simple mistakes, like not understanding that information on an air gapped machine is unknowable to another machine on the network. "If you took the tax id and social from 'airGappedMachine'" "It has no connection to any other machine" "Just query the database" "Store it on a thumbdrive and walk it over? It changes quite often I don't think that's a good workflow" "No, just query it" "How?" "SQL!" Or the classic: "That password only has N characters, I can crack that in Y seconds" "You are the Administrator of that box, you can simply reset the password and do whatever you like." "Yeah but the hackers.... Y seconds" "It's not Y seconds for them, if they already are an Administrator or have read database access it's game over anyway they have to use the API and that locks you out after 3 attempts. Also your are assuming a much easier hashing method than is actually in use." "Yeah but my calculator says Y seconds so it's Y seconds"
- emmelaich 9y ago
  Classic. This could be the script for one of those animated videos that https://www.youtube.com/user/gar1t https://www.youtube.com/user/gar1t did. Like the "Mongodb is web scale" one.