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Linux Desktop is a small part of what Linux is as a whole. > Unix has fragmented the graphics stack in the past Yes I remember these days. We were just having

by baldfat 10y ago

Linux Desktop is a small part of what Linux is as a whole. > Unix has fragmented the graphics stack in the past Yes I remember these days. We were just having different solutions to the same problem. It got settled fairly fast, but I never had the issue of I paid for this Unix and now I have to decide what display manager was going to be. Each vendor pretty much made the choice already for you. > Later, users had to choose between sort-of compatible desktop environments like kde and gnome (progress!). I have been a KDE guy forever, but I could always use whatever programs I wanted. They might not look decent but they all worked together with a few tiny exceptions in the early 2000s. Today I mostly use a tiled window manager but I still use KDE programs with my command line programs. I don't ever get the issue with mutliple of Desktops since that is a strong plus for people to discover what works best with their workflow. > developers (and end users, if linux can truly be said to have those) WHAT???? You mean the people that developed Mir???? > the real world uses Windows, iOS, and Android for everything http://google.com http://google.com is Linux, Android is Linux. MacOS is a Unix. The web is majority Linux. People use Linux everyday and I guess your one of the people that doesn't realize it or it doesn't count? But the vast majority of CPU ticks on this planet are all Linux ticks. You keep trying to make Linux Desktop = Linux and while desktop is a part of Linux. Your mixing and matching to make a point that is inconsistent.

justin66 10y ago
> You keep trying to make Linux Desktop = Linux and while desktop is a part of Linux. Your mixing and matching to make a point that is inconsistent. Well, there are a few different points here. Fragmentation messes up the desktop software ecosystem, and I started with that. This is a thread about Mir, after all. But fragmentation is not unique to the desktop portion of the Linux world. I think the same problem of fragmentation and multiple standards creating choices no end user should have to worry about applies to the rest of Linux. > http://google.com http://google.com is Linux, Android is Linux. MacOS is a Unix. The web is majority Linux. People use Linux everyday and I guess your one of the people that doesn't realize it or it doesn't count? But the vast majority of CPU ticks on this planet are all Linux ticks. And if you have some reason to regard that as a victory, congratulations! But to get back to the point: in most of those cases, someone has abstracted away and hidden from the user - through a lot of needlessly difficult work - the gratuitous bullshit of choosing between competing GUI environments or package managers or service managers or distributions or whatever other stupid thing Linux hasn't standardized yet. A web user doesn't care about this stuff at all. On Android, grown-ups have dictated the direction of the platform and the whole end user experience is identical to that of a closed operating system. Ditto for iOS and MacOS. This is all slightly interesting in light of the fact that Canonical always sort of aspired to make a more streamlined and straightforward product for users, while (debatably) operating within traditional open source development norms. Going off and doing Mir (in secret, although I don't think that's really the big deal) doesn't seem conducive to that.

by baldfat 10y ago

justin66 10y ago

> You keep trying to make Linux Desktop = Linux and while desktop is a part of Linux. Your mixing and matching to make a point that is inconsistent. Well, there are a few different points here. Fragmentation messes up the desktop software ecosystem, and I started with that. This is a thread about Mir, after all. But fragmentation is not unique to the desktop portion of the Linux world. I think the same problem of fragmentation and multiple standards creating choices no end user should have to worry about applies to the rest of Linux. > http://google.com http://google.com is Linux, Android is Linux. MacOS is a Unix. The web is majority Linux. People use Linux everyday and I guess your one of the people that doesn't realize it or it doesn't count? But the vast majority of CPU ticks on this planet are all Linux ticks. And if you have some reason to regard that as a victory, congratulations! But to get back to the point: in most of those cases, someone has abstracted away and hidden from the user - through a lot of needlessly difficult work - the gratuitous bullshit of choosing between competing GUI environments or package managers or service managers or distributions or whatever other stupid thing Linux hasn't standardized yet. A web user doesn't care about this stuff at all. On Android, grown-ups have dictated the direction of the platform and the whole end user experience is identical to that of a closed operating system. Ditto for iOS and MacOS. This is all slightly interesting in light of the fact that Canonical always sort of aspired to make a more streamlined and straightforward product for users, while (debatably) operating within traditional open source development norms. Going off and doing Mir (in secret, although I don't think that's really the big deal) doesn't seem conducive to that.