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No, I'm not jealous - there is no need for personal remarks here. I'm just pointing out that it's not fair to the rest of the society. State will only be able t

No, I'm not jealous - there is no need for personal remarks here. I'm just pointing out that it's not fair to the rest of the society. State will only be able to feed and house inmates, if it forcibly takes money from members of that society in the form of taxes. In order to give to someone, you have to take from someone else - it's that simple.

8note 10y ago
I'm not seeing anything unfair here. the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons. If you're going to tackle unfairness in society, you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth. Anything else is premature optimization
- scoobydoo123 10y ago
  > I'm not seeing anything unfair here Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers for the money taken forcibly from an average Joe who works 12h a day to provide to his family is totally fair. > the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons. This is very naive way of looking at it. > you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth Wow, it didn't take much time before someone had to drag this into discussion about penitentiary system.
  - jsmthrowaway 10y ago
    > This is very naive way of looking at it. Why? The concept of prison is literally society funding a project to keep undesirable crime out of said society. That's fundamentally and exactly what it is. Calling that naive is like saying water being able to drown you is a naive position to hold. I suggest visiting a lawless nation to observe what paying for prison does. > Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers for the money taken forcibly from an average Joe who works 12h a day to provide to his family is totally fair. You seem to not grasp (a) how many "drug dealers" (ooo scary, want to get a beer and find out what a former one is like?) are, themselves, average joes working twelves to provide money for their family, (b) that arguing about fairness is laughable when you're taking the positions that you are (fair for who?), and (c) how many "average joes" comprise the population of, especially minimum security, corrections for crimes you'd roll your eyes at. I was in with a guy who waived his trial timeframe completion rights -- different states call this by different names, and NEVER waive it -- and was in the middle of year three of being held, pretrial, for passing a single $600 bad check. Yes, really. His name was Isaiah and he was a black electrician. Nobody gave a shit, and I'm going to assume you don't either based on how you're arguing this. (Blah blah, bleeding heart, I know.) That you've indicted a whole group of real people because they've ended up in corrections is the lack of perspective I was warning you about elsewhere. They are humans. Just like you. People make mistakes. You should avoid speaking about them like they're cattle and are inferior to you or "average joes." Until you truly understand that, you're way on the wrong side of this. I promise.
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    - tawayqwerty123 10y ago
      (New throw away account because HN doesn't like when people with unpopular opinion to post too many comments here.) > They are humans I've never said that they aren't. But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here.
      - darpa_escapee 10y ago
        > But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here. Do you believe the work prisoners do pay for their incarceration costs?

8note 10y ago

I'm not seeing anything unfair here. the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons. If you're going to tackle unfairness in society, you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth. Anything else is premature optimization

scoobydoo123 10y ago
> I'm not seeing anything unfair here Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers for the money taken forcibly from an average Joe who works 12h a day to provide to his family is totally fair. > the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons. This is very naive way of looking at it. > you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth Wow, it didn't take much time before someone had to drag this into discussion about penitentiary system.
- jsmthrowaway 10y ago
  > This is very naive way of looking at it. Why? The concept of prison is literally society funding a project to keep undesirable crime out of said society. That's fundamentally and exactly what it is. Calling that naive is like saying water being able to drown you is a naive position to hold. I suggest visiting a lawless nation to observe what paying for prison does. > Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers for the money taken forcibly from an average Joe who works 12h a day to provide to his family is totally fair. You seem to not grasp (a) how many "drug dealers" (ooo scary, want to get a beer and find out what a former one is like?) are, themselves, average joes working twelves to provide money for their family, (b) that arguing about fairness is laughable when you're taking the positions that you are (fair for who?), and (c) how many "average joes" comprise the population of, especially minimum security, corrections for crimes you'd roll your eyes at. I was in with a guy who waived his trial timeframe completion rights -- different states call this by different names, and NEVER waive it -- and was in the middle of year three of being held, pretrial, for passing a single $600 bad check. Yes, really. His name was Isaiah and he was a black electrician. Nobody gave a shit, and I'm going to assume you don't either based on how you're arguing this. (Blah blah, bleeding heart, I know.) That you've indicted a whole group of real people because they've ended up in corrections is the lack of perspective I was warning you about elsewhere. They are humans. Just like you. People make mistakes. You should avoid speaking about them like they're cattle and are inferior to you or "average joes." Until you truly understand that, you're way on the wrong side of this. I promise.
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  - tawayqwerty123 10y ago
    (New throw away account because HN doesn't like when people with unpopular opinion to post too many comments here.) > They are humans I've never said that they aren't. But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here.
    - darpa_escapee 10y ago
      > But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here. Do you believe the work prisoners do pay for their incarceration costs?