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> I don't want to teach all your shitty college grads humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" lol.

by meritt 10y ago

irfansharif 10y ago
> humbleMouse
dasmoth 10y ago
humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" So? S/he could well have 10 years of relevant experience.
always_good 10y ago
Heh, your comment moved them to erase that from their profile.
- meritt 10y ago
  wayback machine has us covered: https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160614151608/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=humbleMouse https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160614151608/https://news... > "I setup that url myself." ha, and from that wayback link we see he owns a domain, which I can't even make this shit up: NumberOneProgrammer.com
smokeyj 10y ago
Some people in mid 20s have a decade of experience. Many fresh grads have never coded outside of completing their assignments. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this observation.. unless of course you're ageist ;)
sctb 10y ago
Please don't personally attack other users like this, no matter what they've said. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14098242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14098242 and marked it off-topic.
- meritt 10y ago
  I'd advise you to read the rest of the thread as the vast majority of the responses were criticizing his vitriolic attitude, and based on the number of upvotes my comment received, I'd argue a large percentage of the HN userbase agreed with it.
  - dang 10y ago
    It doesn't matter how many people agreed with it—HN is a constitutional democracy and some rules override upvotes. In this case, the rule is that you shouldn't respond to a crappy comment (which that one was) with an even crappier and less civil one.
    - meritt 10y ago
      I point out irony with the age of one user and somehow that's "even crappier" and "less civil" than his comment which is ridiculing every single college graduate and "incompetent older people" as being useless and a waste of this his time? Why was his comment not detached? I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules and consider your direct role in enabling the entitled, elitist, and often misogynistic attitudes that are so prevalent within the current tech culture. Instead of allowing the community to let this user know that, hey, maybe you shouldn't diminish every single person other than yourself, that maybe the problem actually lies with himself? Someone needs to let these individuals know their behavior is unacceptable, and you are in a unique position to achieve just that: You could have detached his thread, but instead you choose to focus on anyone criticizing him? Instead you're providing this ridiculous protectionist world in which people like him get away this attacking an entire class of people but as soon as someone turns the tables on him, you swoop and provide protection? This is pretty fucking ridiculous.
      - tomhoward 10y ago
        Please, what Dan and Scott are trying to do is promote civility. It's a hard and thankless job. It's your choice to make it harder or easier for them. They agreed with you that the comment you were replying to was inappropriate; they just wanted you to be civil in pointing that out. If you look at their comment feeds, that's what they consistently and tirelessly do, regardless of the topic or ideology at hand. I point out irony ... but you did it in a personally pointed and uncivil way. That's what matters here. ridiculing every single college graduate The comment was overheated and crass, but it didn't actually say that. Why was his comment not detached It was a root comment. Root comments can't get detached. But the comment is ranked low in the thread. I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules From the guidelines and Dang and Scott's comment feeds, the rules are simple and reasonable: be civil. Even in response to incivility. They seem perfectly happy for people to call out bad behaviour in others - hey it saves them from having to do it. But they hate it when users go tit-for-tat and create a cascade of incivility, as it diminishes the community for everyone and makes their job harder. They're even happy getting suggestions from the community, but again, be civil about it. Attacking them as being partly responsible for all the ills in tech culture is a bit much, given their long history of relentlessly and earnestly working to curtail incivility and bigotry in all its forms on this site. But hey you got it right with this follow up comment: maybe you shouldn't diminish every single person other than yourself... That's very well said :) But in all seriousness, you're getting outraged and taking things personally when it would just make things better for everyone if you could be a bit reflective and say "OK guys, fair cop, I'll try to do better next time".

> I don't want to teach all your shitty college grads humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" lol.

by meritt 10y ago

> I don't want to teach all your shitty college grads humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" lol.

irfansharif 10y ago

> humbleMouse

dasmoth 10y ago

humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" So? S/he could well have 10 years of relevant experience.

always_good 10y ago

Heh, your comment moved them to erase that from their profile.

meritt 10y ago
wayback machine has us covered: https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160614151608/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=humbleMouse https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160614151608/https://news... > "I setup that url myself." ha, and from that wayback link we see he owns a domain, which I can't even make this shit up: NumberOneProgrammer.com

smokeyj 10y ago

Some people in mid 20s have a decade of experience. Many fresh grads have never coded outside of completing their assignments. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this observation.. unless of course you're ageist ;)

sctb 10y ago

Please don't personally attack other users like this, no matter what they've said. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14098242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14098242 and marked it off-topic.

meritt 10y ago
I'd advise you to read the rest of the thread as the vast majority of the responses were criticizing his vitriolic attitude, and based on the number of upvotes my comment received, I'd argue a large percentage of the HN userbase agreed with it.
- dang 10y ago
  It doesn't matter how many people agreed with it—HN is a constitutional democracy and some rules override upvotes. In this case, the rule is that you shouldn't respond to a crappy comment (which that one was) with an even crappier and less civil one.
  - meritt 10y ago
    I point out irony with the age of one user and somehow that's "even crappier" and "less civil" than his comment which is ridiculing every single college graduate and "incompetent older people" as being useless and a waste of this his time? Why was his comment not detached? I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules and consider your direct role in enabling the entitled, elitist, and often misogynistic attitudes that are so prevalent within the current tech culture. Instead of allowing the community to let this user know that, hey, maybe you shouldn't diminish every single person other than yourself, that maybe the problem actually lies with himself? Someone needs to let these individuals know their behavior is unacceptable, and you are in a unique position to achieve just that: You could have detached his thread, but instead you choose to focus on anyone criticizing him? Instead you're providing this ridiculous protectionist world in which people like him get away this attacking an entire class of people but as soon as someone turns the tables on him, you swoop and provide protection? This is pretty fucking ridiculous.
    - tomhoward 10y ago
      Please, what Dan and Scott are trying to do is promote civility. It's a hard and thankless job. It's your choice to make it harder or easier for them. They agreed with you that the comment you were replying to was inappropriate; they just wanted you to be civil in pointing that out. If you look at their comment feeds, that's what they consistently and tirelessly do, regardless of the topic or ideology at hand. I point out irony ... but you did it in a personally pointed and uncivil way. That's what matters here. ridiculing every single college graduate The comment was overheated and crass, but it didn't actually say that. Why was his comment not detached It was a root comment. Root comments can't get detached. But the comment is ranked low in the thread. I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules From the guidelines and Dang and Scott's comment feeds, the rules are simple and reasonable: be civil. Even in response to incivility. They seem perfectly happy for people to call out bad behaviour in others - hey it saves them from having to do it. But they hate it when users go tit-for-tat and create a cascade of incivility, as it diminishes the community for everyone and makes their job harder. They're even happy getting suggestions from the community, but again, be civil about it. Attacking them as being partly responsible for all the ills in tech culture is a bit much, given their long history of relentlessly and earnestly working to curtail incivility and bigotry in all its forms on this site. But hey you got it right with this follow up comment: maybe you shouldn't diminish every single person other than yourself... That's very well said :) But in all seriousness, you're getting outraged and taking things personally when it would just make things better for everyone if you could be a bit reflective and say "OK guys, fair cop, I'll try to do better next time".